telstarbox
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Question for the signallers on here: if the station staff had phoned the signaller, how long would it take for the signal before the platform to change from proceed to danger? Seconds or minutes?
Question for the signallers on here: if the station staff had phoned the signaller, how long would it take for the signal before the platform to change from proceed to danger? Seconds or minutes?
Don't need to do that, just need a stop sent via GSMR / CSR
Where are the controls located for this type of signal to be sent from within the station?
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Platform staff ring signaller? I think you'll find that is the procedure to deal with a safety of the line event
So a radio call or telephone call to be sent?
Just been saying on Facebook about how he should have rung the signalman before going on the side of the track and basically faced an absolute sh*t-storm from people who have it in for Health and Safety.
Most noticeably, supposed railway enthusiasts.
Unlikely to be radios unless the controlling box is adjacent (it isn't in this case). It's only a phone call though, and the signalman can take immediate action to have trains stopped. It'll take more than a few seconds to get authority to go on the line though - that's not the immediate priority.
What's amusing to me is that these rules are there to protect the staff. I won't go anywhere near the track without the signalman confirming that the lines are blocked. Trains are quick and I don't want to be hit by one. I'm sure 100 years ago management would positively encouraged jumping straight down onto the track. Good job we learn from our mistakes!
If I had been in the situation I would have been down on the line in an instant once I was sure there was nothing coming. In this case there were station staff present with the knowledge of what to do and presumably they knew the location of the telephone to make the call.
What would have happened if this had been an unmanned station, would members of the public be able to request a stop on the line ?
I think its highly unlikely that mature healthy adults are going to stand there and watch a wheelchair and occupant get flattened by a train.
Many years ago as a rookie cop I got bollocked by the fire brigade for probably saving the life of a drunk pensioner who set fire to his kitchen with a chip pan and then fell asleep. I was in and out of the house with the man in seconds, the brigade didnt arrive until the house was well ablaze.
My point being that sometimes we have to stick our necks out to help others, it will be a sad place to be if all humans stick to the "rules" all of the time.
I agree 100 percent with that. i would have done the same. Sometime, you have to stick two fingers up at rules and ruddy regulations
Though the person of course could have stopped the wheelchair before the yellow line !!
There isnt enough facts to make a judgement, but if the line was still live then safety regulations have been broken and more lives were put at risk. Questions must be asked about the carer too as they clearly cant have been doing their job properly.
That's fair enough, and it's a more realistic prospect if nothing's signalled into the platform at the time! If there are trains approaching under clear signals though, you'll not get authority until the signalman's sure that signal protection has been provided (including that any approaching trains have come to a stand or will receive the correct sequence to the protecting signal). That is, of course, a necessarily convoluted process than the initial emergency call to stop the job - which doesn't, by itself, guarantee that nothing will approach.I can only speak from experience, mate. At man Vic, authorisation takes seconds - I know that from experience
It would be interesting to know how and why a passenger in a wheelchair can simply roll off the platform edge...
Sometime, you have to stick two fingers up at rules and ruddy regulations
I agree 100 percent with that. i would have done the same. Sometime, you have to stick two fingers up at rules and ruddy regulations
I'm sure 100 years ago management would positively encouraged jumping straight down onto the track.
Where is the problem?
That's fair enough, and it's a more realistic prospect if nothing's signalled into the platform at the time! If there are trains approaching under clear signals though, you'll not get authority until the signalman's sure that signal protection has been provided (including that any approaching trains have come to a stand or will receive the correct sequence to the protecting signal). That is, of course, a necessarily convoluted process than the initial emergency call to stop the job - which doesn't, by itself, guarantee that nothing will approach.
I still maintain that you'd be foolish to get stuck in straight away, without at least making arrangements for the emergency call. Chances are, if you've got time to effect a rescue and get the rescuers clear (easier said than done, given the height of platforms), there'd be enough time to have an approaching train stopped and then make more robust arrangements to get them out. It's no use diving straight in, only to find that you can't manage to get them out...and the train's still approaching at speed.
It's difficult to say, without having being there. Can we agree (and, for all we know, the member of staff in question might have done so) that it'd be foolish to dive in without at least arranging for an emergency call to be made first, even if that meant instructing someone else to go away and do that?If a path had been set, i do know that it would be very difficult to prevent any oncoming high speed vehicle from stopping in time. But, people must use their judgment, and if it was a genuine emergency, I'm sure 99% of railway workers would have done the same as this brave chap. I know I would have done
It's difficult to say, without having being there. Can we agree (and, for all we know, the member of staff in question might have done so) that it'd be foolish to dive in without at least arranging for an emergency call to be made first, even if that meant instructing someone else to go away and do that?
If I had been in the situation I would have been down on the line in an instant once I was sure there was nothing coming. In this case there were station staff present with the knowledge of what to do and presumably they knew the location of the telephone to make the call.
What would have happened if this had been an unmanned station, would members of the public be able to request a stop on the line ?
I think its highly unlikely that mature healthy adults are going to stand there and watch a wheelchair and occupant get flattened by a train.
Many years ago as a rookie cop I got bollocked by the fire brigade for probably saving the life of a drunk pensioner who set fire to his kitchen with a chip pan and then fell asleep. I was in and out of the house with the man in seconds, the brigade didnt arrive until the house was well ablaze.
My point being that sometimes we have to stick our necks out to help others, it will be a sad place to be if all humans stick to the "rules" all of the time.
Is being suspended not a form of intial disciplinary action?
suspension should be considered as a neutral act - there should be no inferences drawn as to guilt or otherwise during the period of suspension.