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Effect of strike on Tuesday 26 May?
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mike57
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I am supposed to be travelling from Seamer to Birchwood Tuesday morning. Just been on the TPE website, but all they have is the same statement as the NR website, with no indication of what might be running.
Has anyone any idea what might be running. I could get to York to start from there if there is anything from there. If management will be manning I cant imagine they would try and keep York Scarborough open for one train per hour each way.
Failing that I will have to go by car, which bearing in mind the extra traffic will be a miserable journey no doubt.
Which raises the next question, I have advance tickets, out Tuesday, return Friday, if I go by car because of the strike then obviously I will be unable to use either ticket. Looks like I will get a refund for the Tuesday ticket, but what about Fridays return ticket.
Has anyone any idea what might be running. I could get to York to start from there if there is anything from there. If management will be manning I cant imagine they would try and keep York Scarborough open for one train per hour each way.
Failing that I will have to go by car, which bearing in mind the extra traffic will be a miserable journey no doubt.
Which raises the next question, I have advance tickets, out Tuesday, return Friday, if I go by car because of the strike then obviously I will be unable to use either ticket. Looks like I will get a refund for the Tuesday ticket, but what about Fridays return ticket.
wensley
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Very tricky to say what will be running until NR work out exactly what they can resource in terms of management cover etc. TOCs will publish emergency timetables as the picture becomes clearer, and passengers will then be able to decide what their options are.
If the action does to ahead there's no avoiding the fact that all modes of transport will be exceptionally busy.
If the action does to ahead there's no avoiding the fact that all modes of transport will be exceptionally busy.
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Regarding what will be running, if your line is manned by many small signal boxes and gate boxes such as the line to Hull or Scarborough, forget it. Leeds to Hull for example would require the following manned, York IECC (maybe), Selby, Selby Swing Bridge, Barlby, Gilberdyke, Oxmardyke, Broomfleet, Cave, Crably Creek, Brough, etc etc etc. No chance! So i think the Hull trains timetable may be..... erm..... blank.
York to Birchwood, i doubt it. You might get to Leeds. After Leeds on North Trans Pennine, Batley, Healy Mills, Huddersfield and Diggle would need manning, just to get to Manchester area.
York to Birchwood, i doubt it. You might get to Leeds. After Leeds on North Trans Pennine, Batley, Healy Mills, Huddersfield and Diggle would need manning, just to get to Manchester area.
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Bodie
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Another here going to the Three Queens in Liverpool.
Not going to let strike spoil something I've been looking forward to for donkeys.
Still going to have head back earlier then expected.
Even worse I'm booked on advances Tuesday to go home. Home being the Kyle of Lochalsh.
I'm not liking my chances of getting from Lancaster to Kyle that day!
Could well go home Wednesday. Would it have to be an exchange? Might I travel on tickets dated Tues on Wednesday?
I do that if there was no extra cost or only a small cost.
Seat unlikely but as long as I got home I wouldn't mind.
Really really hoping strike is called off.
Anyone else think it's a pure coincidence that this national strike has been called less then two weeks after a majority Conservative was elected?
Sour grapes?
Not going to let strike spoil something I've been looking forward to for donkeys.
Still going to have head back earlier then expected.
Even worse I'm booked on advances Tuesday to go home. Home being the Kyle of Lochalsh.
I'm not liking my chances of getting from Lancaster to Kyle that day!
Could well go home Wednesday. Would it have to be an exchange? Might I travel on tickets dated Tues on Wednesday?
I do that if there was no extra cost or only a small cost.
Seat unlikely but as long as I got home I wouldn't mind.
Really really hoping strike is called off.
Anyone else think it's a pure coincidence that this national strike has been called less then two weeks after a majority Conservative was elected?
Sour grapes?
Uh, no! :roll:
It wouldn't matter which bunch of self centred monkeys were voted in, this strike would still have been called due to the intransigence of Network Rail!
You are of course correct. And it has nothing to do with 'customer service' and everything to do with their obligation to offer refunds where services are delayed, cancelled or 'your reservation will not be honored' as per NRCoC Condition 26.
Maybe there is confusion because London Underground do not offer refunds or compensation when there are strikes, except for Day Travelcards bought in advance and refunded before travel.
I'm pretty annoyed at the lack of information dissemination by the TOCs about this strike. Why not 'approximations' of what services could be run? Is Scotland affected? If it is, there's nothing at all on the ScotRail homepage. Nothing from TfL about London Overground, or the effect on their other services either.
Is it a case of the TOCs going "Oh well this isn't our fault and we can just blame it all on them"? Seems like sheer contempt of customers.
wensley
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Because, for the most part, the TOCs haven't got enough information from NR at this stage to provide any useful information to their passengers. Once a full picture from NR is established 'emergency' timetables can be drawn up and disseminated. There is no point guessing what will happen, advising passengers of this, and then having to re-issue a different plan further down the line. Keep the message simple and clear, as per the holding message already out there, until reliable plans can be shared.
Coming up for a plan won't be easy for any TOC with fleet and traincrew constraints to consider alongside infrastructure restrictions. Much work will already have taken place, with plenty still to tie up ... I'm certainly expecting not to see much of home this week!!
I didn't want to speculate earlier, but agree the HT timetable will probably show nothing between 1700 25 May and 1700 26 May and a plan to wind down/build up either side of the action!
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I would have throught for the 'first' strike, they would not have much of a clue as to what, where or how, but if it continues, then they will get into a pattern, but based on 94, I guess some Main Line routes only and 0700-1900 all depends on how many non-Union, How many Managers can work the box, (not as many these days) How Many will ignore the strike call..........
So I might be screwed for Hull to London.
carriageline
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Today's the day. As someone in the strike, really hope something can be bought together and a striker averted.
And as people are still spouting the same rubbish, we have been in dispute with the company for nearly 2 months over this. We balloted for strike a week before polling day. Nothing to do with who's in power
And as people are still spouting the same rubbish, we have been in dispute with the company for nearly 2 months over this. We balloted for strike a week before polling day. Nothing to do with who's in power
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Minilad
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Umm, it's next weekyou're 7 days too early!
Today is the day for talks. Not the strike
Xenophon PCDGS
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Has there ever been any legal cases where that particular matter has ever been discussed in a court case that involved similar matter where transportation disruption and claims for financial redress for ticket refunds has been the issue?
Aictos
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Ahh well I hope something happens and for the better.
Yes it is. We hate all of you. It is our sole purpose in running the service to absolutely screw every penny out of you and provide you with utter and total lack of customer service and disrespect. :roll:
On a serious note and a more educated one. I'm booked to work on the Tuesday and whilst I have a rostered turn experience dictates that it probably will not run. I do not have a diagram for that day yet and internally it has been very quiet. My assumption is that until today is over I will assume that every diagram is running. Bank Holiday diagrams have already been posted and are also assumed to be running. Next weeks roster doesn't get posted till Thursday and STP diagrams can be posted at short notice. Currently everything is assumed to be running as normal. When it changes then diagrams will be issued and passengers informed.
I'm pretty sure that telling passengers there is a new timetable in place before the talks today are over is kinda pointless.
Tetchytyke
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Several people have quoted the same comment, taking it out of context. My comment referred to season tickets.
If you have a season ticket, you will not be given a refund or additional days if you choose not to travel.
Delay Repay may apply, but bear in mind that the T&Cs of most Delay Repay schemes say that where an emergency timetable is put in place any Delay Repay calculations will be based on the emergency timetable.
Single and return tickets will be refundable, but again, only if you choose not to travel. If you do choose to travel then it'll be Delay Repay, and again, the T&Cs of Delay Repay normally says that any claims will be judged against an emergency timetable.
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dk1
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AGA are announcing 3 relief trains calling Norwich, Diss then non-stop to Stratford for the play off final at Wembley. This is on top of the timetabled half-hourly service planned for Bank Holiday Monday. Same extras return in the early evening. It does however warn of the strike threat.
NRE have now updated their website with ticket acceptance. Essentially travel Sunday/Wednesday for pre-booked tickets. They're saying that Season Ticket compensation will be available, but refer to the TOC. I'm still expecting to get nothing.
Sorry, can't post link ATM.
trainophile
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Not much point travelling Sunday or Wednesday if the event you bought tickets to go to is on Monday
.I'm not saying TOC would go out of their way to inconvenience people - that would be ridiculous. But I think many people would agree that they don't put enough effort (or, perhaps, money) into making things better for their passengers, which applies particularly at times of disruption. Some of the websites don't even mention the possibility of strike action.
And although I'm sure you meant it in irony, there's quite a lot of evidence to support that first claim. That's one for another thread though...
a good off
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I'd be very surprised if they can keep the job going this time to the extent that they did in 94 as a lot of the managers these days don't know how to work the boxes.
Wrong. A selection of TOC's Industrial Action updates:
South West Trains:
First Great Western:
Arriva Trains Wales:
East Midlands Trains:
London Midland:
Transpennine Express:
87019Chris
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IF you can get to Doncaster You MAY stand a chance...
Tetchytyke
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...and my TOC, to whom I've just given £450 for a month's ticket, are only going to offer compensation by Delay Repay. Delay Repay is, according to the T&Cs, only offered based on the emergency timetable.
Of that list, FGW, SWT and TPE are not actually saying what compensation will be offered. EMT state if you are "unable" to travel (does this mean people who choose not to travel?). Only ATW are promising extra validity.
So, as you were.
I'd hope the TOCs are a bit more generous, but I won't be holding my breath, especially the money-grabbers at GoVia.
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TOCs also have no way of fixing track defects or signal failures, but virtually all will happily compensate for delays caused by these. Compensation is due for events in the railway's (or the rail industry's) control, and that includes Network Rail.
TOCs would struggle, morally, to justify not offering at least some compensation for this industrial action (assuming it goes ahead.)
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