Effect of strike on Tuesday 26 May?

[ChiefPlanner]

I spoke to the gateline assistant at my local LOROL managed station, he believes that London Overground and Southern will be fine during the strike, but advised not to travel on Southeastern.

Take that with a HUGE pinch of saline material......

 

[E16 Cyclist]

I think during the 94 strikes Chiltern were the only part of the network to run a consistent near to normal service

Chiltern now is a completely different railway to what it was then as apart from the Risborough to Aylesbury line nothing else is single line anymore.

I'm actually on nights next week so is certainly going to be interesting

 

[Mojo]

Take that with a HUGE pinch of saline material......

The TfL website says that there will be no Overground services apart from Dalston Jcn to New +/New + Gate.

 

[M28361M]

Merseyrail information. The special timetable for the Three Queens event will remain in force until the afternoon when services will start to wind down, finishing by about 7pm on Monday (although passengers are advised to go for earlier trains as crowds are expected). No service on Tuesday.

 

[Stats]

Southern have announced their plans:

Monday: limited service
4 trains per hour between Brighton and London Victoria calling at Haywards Heath, Three Bridges, Gatwick Airport, East Croydon
2 trains per hour between Three Bridges and London Victoria calling at Gatwick Airport and East Croydon
4 trains per hour between East Croydon and London Victoria.

Tuesday
No Service

https://twitter.com/SouthernRailUK/status/601059926740488193

 

[Wivenswold]

AGA say...

On Monday 25 May, there will be no services at all after mid-day.

On Tuesday 26 May, there will be no services at all, except for an extremely limited, skeleton service between London and Norwich, London and Colchester, London and Shenfield and London and Stansted Airport in the middle of the day (plans for which are currently being developed). These services will run infrequently with limited capacity and only serve selected stations.

On Wednesday 27 May, services will start operating on all routes only from 06.00 onwards, but there will be service disruption and alterations as we work to restore the full normal service.

The middle of the day bit is confusing. So no trains for commuters then.

 

[westv]

I wonder if any of the TOCs are putting any pressure on the parties involved. They must be dreading the loss of revenue.

 

[Qwerty133]

London Midland

http://www.londonmidland.com/about-...end_list&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sendgrid

Is the Stourbridge shuttle non network rail signalled?
Just seems a weird line to keep open otherwise, although if this is the case there is no excuse for anything other than a full service on the shuttle.

 

[A-driver]

Is the Stourbridge shuttle non network rail signalled?

Just seems a weird line to keep open otherwise, although if this is the case there is no excuse for anything other than a full service on the shuttle.

Actually there would be a good excuse-the strike may well end up crippling most rail services. Like any other worker rail staff need to get to work and there is a high chance many non striking staff will struggle to get into work. This may cause disruption to other services.

 

[Mojo]

Is the Stourbridge shuttle non network rail signalled?
Just seems a weird line to keep open otherwise, although if this is the case there is no excuse for anything other than a full service on the shuttle.

Given the main service through Stourbridge Jcn is expected to be running, I would expect that the Town branch would also be able to be run.

 

[dk1]

I wonder if any of the TOCs are putting any pressure on the parties involved. They must be dreading the loss of revenue.

Doubt they would take any notice if they did. If you think about it, first National strike for 20yrs. The TOCs have got away very lightly compared to BR days.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Given the main service through Stourbridge Jcn is expected to be running, I would expect that the Town branch would also be able to be run.

It runs even when the main line is shut for works!

 

[92002]

Doubt they would take any notice if they did. If you think about it, first National strike for 20yrs. The TOCs have got away very lightly compared to BR days.

Abellio ScotRail suggesting there will be trains running in the Central Belt on both days. South Glasgow DOO services. Ayrshire shuttle Glasgow/ Paisley. Glasgow to East Kilbride. Also Glasgow to Edinburgh via Falkirk and Edinburgh Fife circle trains.

Which would tend to suggest managers working in signal centres.

The services with guards would tend to suggest managers working in lieu of Guards.

All other services cancelled.

 

[bnm]

Take that with a HUGE pinch of saline material......

How does one take a pinch of a liquid solution?

 

[bicbasher]

The TfL website says that there will be no Overground services apart from Dalston Jcn to New +/New + Gate.

How can TfL operate on their own metals if the signallers at NXG signal box are still NR?

 

[dk1]

The services with guards would tend to suggest managers working in lieu of Guards.

All other services cancelled.

It's a NR dispute so apart from both in RMT, I am unsure what guards have to do with it.

 

[High Dyke]

I wonder if any of the TOCs are putting any pressure on the parties involved. They must be dreading the loss of revenue.

If the information i've been told is to believed, and i don't doubt the source of it. Network Rail didn't turn up at ACAS today for talks, so the respective TU's sat their like 'Billy no mates'... Perhaps if someone has access to the ACAS twitter feed they could confirm this?

 

[Chouette]

I take it there's no hope of it being called off by Friday then...

Wishing I hadn't booked a weekend away, since I'll now have to eat the cost of the Sunday evening's hotel room and travel back on the Sunday instead.

And there I was at the beginning of the year, thinking I'd been smart in booking the extra night to avoid the engineering works(!)

 

[Nym]

Yeah, unless it's called off I'm going to be driving back down the WCML, thanks VT for not even trying to run via Styal.

 

[A-driver]

I take it there's no hope of it being called off by Friday then...

Wishing I hadn't booked a weekend away, since I'll now have to eat the cost of the Sunday evening's hotel room and travel back on the Sunday instead.

And there I was at the beginning of the year, thinking I'd been smart in booking the extra night to avoid the engineering works(!)

They'll keep the talks going over the weekend-could be called off as late as Monday afternoon.

 

[causton]

They'll keep the talks going over the weekend-could be called off as late as Monday afternoon.

And considering what the timetables are like, will anything actually run on Monday or Tuesday at that late notice?!

 

[Bantamzen]

Sod! TPE have tweeted the planned service and as there are no services via Warrington C all day Monday my travel plans are up in the air. So going to have to risk going earlier on Sunday with potentially 2 or even 3 days worth of punters moving. And to top it all there's diversions towards Leeds so doubtless delays as a result.

monday 25 and tuesday 26 may
Members of the RMT and TSSA unions that work for track and infrastructure operator, Network Rail, have announced they are planning to take industrial action, beginning from 1700 on Bank Holiday Monday 25 May through to 1700 on Tuesday 26 May. Industrial action will impact services throughout the UK.

our plan for services

Should the proposed industrial action go ahead, the following changes will apply to our services:

south transpennine route
Summary of alterations affecting services on the route between Manchester Airport and Sheffield / Doncaster / Cleethorpes

Monday 25 & Tuesday 26 May 2015

There will be NO First TransPennine Express SERVICES on this route
Wednesday 27 May 2015

Some early morning services will be amended / cancelled until routes become available (signallers on duty) and trains are positioned.

north transpennine routes
Summary of alterations affecting services on the routes between Liverpool & Manchester and Leeds / Hull / York & the North East

Monday 25 May 2015

Selected sections of the route will be available to operate a much reduced service until approx. 1700

A special timetable will operate – departure times will be different to the normal timetable
Liverpool to Manchester (via Warrington Central, Birchwood and Liverpool South Parkway) – NO SERVICE ALL DAY
Liverpool to Manchester – 2 services each hour
Services will operate between Liverpool and Manchester Oxford Rd / Manchester Piccadilly via the Chat Moss route.
These services continue to Newcastle / Middlesbrough

Manchester Piccadilly to Leeds / York - 2 services each hour
1 x Liverpool to Newcastle, 1 x Liverpool to Middlesbrough both services will call at Stalybridge, Huddersfield and Dewsbury

There will be no First TransPennine Express services to or from Manchester Victoria

THERE WILL BE NO SERVICES BETWEEN LEEDS AND MANCHESTER AFTER 1700

Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly – 1 TPE service each hour
calling at Heald Green, Gatley, East Didsbury, Burnage and Mauldeth Rd

Second service provided by the North West route (see below)

Leeds to Hull – 1 service each hour
calling at Garforth, Selby, Howden and Brough

York to Scarborough - 1 service each hour
calling at Malton and Seamer

York to Newcastle - 1 service each hour
calling at Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Chester-le-Street

York to Middlesbrough - 1 service each hour
calling at Thirsk, Northallerton, Yarm and Thornaby

A small number of services will continue to operate between 1700 and 1830 as services approach their destinations.

Tuesday 26 May 2015

Only very limited sections of the route will be available to operate a much reduced service between 0730 and 1830 only

A special timetable will operate – departure times will be different to the normal timetable

Liverpool to Manchester (via Warrington Central, Birchwood and Liverpool South Parkway) – NO SERVICE ALL DAY
Liverpool to Manchester – 2 services each hour
Services will operate between Liverpool and Manchester Oxford Rd / Manchester Piccadilly via the Chat Moss route

These services continue to Stalybridge

There will be no First TransPennine Express services to or from Manchester Victoria

Manchester to Leeds – NO SERVICE ALL DAY
Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly – 1 TPE service each hour
calling at Heald Green, Gatley, East Didsbury, Burnage and Mauldeth Rd

Second service provided by the North West route (see below)

Leeds to Hull – NO SERVICE ALL DAY
York to Scarborough - NO SERVICE ALL DAY
York to Newcastle / Middlesbrough - NO SERVICE ALL DAY
Other operators will operate a limited service between York and Newcastle

Wednesday 27 May 2015

Some early morning services will be amended / cancelled until routes become available and trains are at the correct locations to start the services.

north west routes
Summary of alterations affecting services on the routes between

Manchester Airport and Preston / Blackpool / Barrow / Windermere / Scotland

Monday 25 and Tuesday 26 May 2015

A very limited service will operate on this route

A special timetable will be in place – departure times will be different to the normal timetable

An hourly service will operate between Manchester Airport and Preston / Lancaster between 0730 and 1700 (approx)
Services will call at Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road and Wigan North Western

Selected services will be extended to operate to / from Carlisle via Oxenholme and Penrith.

All services will be formed of 6 coaches.

Manchester Airport to Preston / Blackpool North - NO SERVICE ALL DAY
No services will operate through Chorley or Bolton.

All previously advertised replacement buses on this route will not run.

Preston/Lancaster to Barrow-in-Furness - NO SERVICE ALL DAY
Oxenholme to Windermere - NO SERVICE ALL DAY
Wednesday 27 May 2015

Some early morning services will be amended / cancelled until routes become available and trains are at the correct locations to start the services.

Further details of amended timetables will be made available here at tpexpress.co.uk and also at nationalrail.co.uk as they become available.

We appreciate many customers will be inconvenienced by the significantly reduced service level. So it is important you read our advice below about services and ticketing arrangements…

advice for customers who have already booked to travel
We advise strongly to avoid travelling by rail on Monday 25 or Tuesday 26 May. Replacement bus services will not be provided. If you cannot avoid travelling during these two days, we urge you to check your journey ahead of travel on nationalrail.co.uk or plan an alternative form of transport.

Also, there is likely to be further knock-on disruption through to Wednesday 27 May while services return to normal.

Anytime, Off-Peak or Super Off-Peak Ticket: If you already have a valid Anytime, Off-Peak or Super Off-Peak ticket valid for travel on either the Monday 25 or Tuesday 26 May, you will be able to use your ticket for travel on Sunday 24 May or Wednesday 27 May, subject to any travel restrictions that would normally apply to your ticket on those days.

Advance Ticket: If you have an Advance ticket for travel on Monday 25 or Tuesday 26 May, you will also be able to travel on either Sunday 24 May or Wednesday 27 May. However, if you travel on either of these two, alternative days, you must use the same train service that you would have used on the 25 or 26 May, or the services immediately before or after this service. Unfortunately, your seat reservation will no longer apply.

Season Ticket: If you have a Season Ticket, you will be entitled to compensation. As these arrangements vary by train companies, so please check with your train company on your entitlement to compensation.

If you already have a ticket valid for travel on any of the days potentially affected by the planned industrial action and no longer wish to travel, the retailer that sold you your ticket will provide you with a full refund. Alternatively you can exchange it for another ticket (once you’ve paid any difference in price). If you want to obtain a refund or exchange your ticket please ask the retailer from whom you purchased your ticket.

Some train companies will be putting in place additional local ticketing arrangements, so please check with the train company you’ll be using before travelling.

advice for customers who have not already booked to travel
We advise strongly to avoid travelling by rail on Monday 25 or Tuesday 26 May.Replacement bus services will not be provided. If you cannot avoid travelling during these two days, we urge you to check your journey ahead of travel on nationalrail.co.uk or plan an alternative form of transport. Also, there is likely to be further knock-on disruption through to Wednesday 27 May while services return to normal.

further information and advice
We are advising you not to travel during the two days and, instead, take an alternative form of transport for your journey. If you do intend to travel, please check your journey ahead of travel on nationalrail.co.uk. You can also download the National Rail Enquiries app, or follow National Rail on Twitter @nationalrailenq or using the hashtag #IndustrialAction

 

[Hyphen]

Yeah, unless it's called off I'm going to be driving back down the WCML, thanks VT for not even trying to run via Styal.

I'm not sure it's entirely VT's fault... LM are saying the following:

The nature of the industrial action by Network Rail employees means that London Midland will not be able to run electric powered trains - which accounts for most of its fleet.

Quite why this is the case I can't find any confirmation of - my best guess is that it's something to do with safety given there may be no re-wiring crews available.

But given VT don't have any diesel stock available at all (like some other TOCs do) this may explain why they aren't attempting to run any trains at all.

 

[bramling]

I'm not sure it's entirely VT's fault... LM are saying the following:



Quite why this is the case I can't find any confirmation of - my best guess is that it's something to do with safety given there may be no re-wiring crews available.

But given VT don't have any diesel stock available at all (like some other TOCs do) this may explain why they aren't attempting to run any trains at all.

Electrical Control Rooms unstaffed? If so, there would be no way to carry out and confirm isolations in emergency.

Obviously the ECRs are one of the first things one would expect Network Rail to try and staff, as there's not that many of them. The snag is that electrical control is a *highly* specialised field, so I wouldn't imagine there are many managers that can cover.

 

[Nym]

Electrical Control Rooms unstaffed? If so, there would be no way to carry out and confirm isolations in emergency.

Obviously the ECRs are one of the first things one would expect Network Rail to try and staff, as there's not that many of them. The snag is that electrical control is a *highly* specialised field, so I wouldn't imagine there are many managers that can cover.

Yeah, LU had a similar problem with the last round of strikes, tried to bring managers in to cover all the desks.

 

[tsr]

But given VT don't have any diesel stock available at all (like some other TOCs do) this may explain why they aren't attempting to run any trains at all.

Apart from the SuperVoyagers on the West Coast and the HSTs on their VTEC side?

 

[Chouette]

And considering what the timetables are like, will anything actually run on Monday or Tuesday at that late notice?!

Quite, if they call it off that late I'll already have gone home!

 

[Hyphen]

Apart from the SuperVoyagers on the West Coast and the HSTs on their VTEC side?

Completely forgot about the Voyagers!!

I was referring to VTWC only. I was aware VTEC's emergency diagrams seem to be fairly comfortably covered by their HSTs.

 

[tsr]

Completely forgot about the Voyagers!!

I was referring to VTWC only. I was aware VTEC's emergency diagrams seem to be fairly comfortably covered by their HSTs.

No worries!

 

[matt_world2004]

Why has the waterloo and city line gone bye bye. I didn't think that had anything to do with network rail anymore.