One person with life changing injuries reported.
i won't post the speed to avoid giving as fact but using physics formulas it can be calculated how fast a 160t object was travelling to push a 800t object 4ft, but it isn't very fast at all, add in any other factors such a slippery rails and could be even slower.
One person with life changing injuries reported.
Reported where? Seems pretty crazy, unless there was a somewhat freak/unfortunate fall within the train?
using physics formulas it can be calculated how fast a 160t object was travelling to push a 800t object 4ft
Accident looks to involve 2E68 (1339 PNZ - EXD) and 1A91 (1542 PLY - PAD) - according to OTT's maps those are the two trains in Platform 6.Unconfirmed report that the HST was shunted some 4 feet which would suggest a bit more than 'low speed' collision.
Also a 4 car unit and a HST wouldn't fit on Platform 6 at Plymouth which is something that will probably be key in the investigation.
One person with life changing injuries reported.
I think I know what will be key to the RAIB investigation and it won't be the drivers. You can probably guess what I am thinking and will say no more.
A passenger has posted on Spotlights Facebook page of an elderly lady with life changing injuries, not a reliable or medical source to take for definite.
Accident looks to involve 2E68 (1339 PNZ - EXD) and 1A91 (1542 PLY - PAD) - according to OTT's maps those are the two trains in Platform 6.
According to RealTimeTrains the HST arrived from Laira Depot at 1500 (22 early) as 5A91 so would have been there well ahead of 2E68 which was not booked to arrive until 1534. I would have thought that the HST driver would have put the brakes on when he arrived as well. I also think that if 2E68 had shunted 1A91 then the damage to 2E68 would have been worse.
I think I know what will be key to the RAIB investigation and it won't be the drivers. You can probably guess what I am thinking and will say no more.
Dave
Am going of what the ambulance service said and that said everyone was stable but you could be stable with life changing injuries we shall see what is realised
A passenger has posted on Spotlights Facebook page there is an elderly lady with life changing injuries, not a reliable or medical source to take for definite.
I would take the ambulance service as more accurate than a passenger posting on Facebook. There is another post on there that a bloke went through a glass partition, To me at least potential scarring or broken glass slicing a nerve would be life changing whilst likely the patient was stable, or even walking wounded
How do you know this? The ambulance service reported that everyone was stable!
Actually the term "stable" doesn't really have any meaning. However its colloquial use means that the patient's condition has stabilised - someone seriously ill in intensive care can be stable.
The main work of the first responders to an incident would be to get all causalities into a state where their condition is known and relatively unchanging, in the sense that they're not getting any worse before they get to a hospital and that the medical personnel have a good idea of what the problem is.
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Ian
The driver of 2E86 has confirmed he received the correct signal, and all restrictions on P15 have been lifted.
Eighteen people have been injured when two trains collided at a railway station.
Devon and Cornwall Police said the crash at Plymouth Railway Station was a "low impact collision" and they were not aware of any serious injuries.
Emergency services were called to the scene at about 15:35 BST on Sunday.
Eight casualties were going to Derriford Hospital but all were stable, South Western Ambulance said.
"At this stage we believe that a moving train drove into the back of a stationary train on platform 6 at the station, and we are currently looking into the circumstances to determine how this happened", British Transport Police said.
Police have advised people to avoid the station if possible, and said delays were likely for passengers travelling through the Plymouth area.
Oh and you post about platform 6 was correct, it is 260m (300 if it is okay to block the points into P7) so nowhere near enough long enough.
Discussion is fine when you have all of the FACTS.
The problem comes when you get people going into whisper mode and then unfounded rumours/conjecture and start flying about.
This incident will fall into the remit of RAIB, all of the data will be downloaded from the OTDR, Signalbox data recorders, voice/communications recorders & if fitted FFCCTV as well, so that all of the information can be assimilated, analyzed and the blame correctly apportioned.