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700115 was delivered to the depot this morning.
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No harm having people still press the buttons, as being used to that will help on the stock, or at stations, where they don't auto open!
asylumxl
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You overestimate the intelligence and mentality of your average commuter.
168lover
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Any ideas what diagrams 700s are working today?
samuelmorris
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That still seemed to be accurate as of Monday, 1W29 on the 11:40 Bedford to Brighton was a 700 as anticipated.
Islineclear3_1
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Will there be any additional diagrams from next week please?
I do have a fairly low opinion of many commuters, (they don't seem to have improved since I used to travel with them). However, eventually, most of the thick/absent-minded ones will either get a bit embarassed when the doors repeatedly disobey their masterly commands, or they will be pushed aside by the creme' de la creme' of commuters: the bullies.
Next weeks 700 diagrams:
(501)
5Y91 02+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W91 02.40 Bedford to Brighton
1B00 05.47 Brighton to London Bridge
1B05 07.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B10 08.27 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09.42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12.12 London Bridge to Brighton
5B25 13+29 Brighton to Down Sidings
5B38 14+42 Down Sidings to Brighton
1B38 15.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B48 17.32 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18.42 London Bridge to Brighton
5W51 20+06 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot
(502)
5W93 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
(503)
5Y11 06+32 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W11 06.58 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W29 11.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W57 17.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y62 22+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
(504)
5W02 05+07 Down Sidings to Brighton
1W02 05.30 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W30 10+41 Three Bridges to Three Bridges (shunt via Depot)
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W96 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y96 19+03 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
(505)
5Y01 03+47 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford (shunt via Run Round loop)
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+25 Brighton to Down Sidings
Islineclear3_1
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Thank you John1975
Was on the 1732 Brighton to London Bridge from Three Bridges. Must say its a very nice train, still had the new train smell 
Seats aren't bad, would of liked if they were more quiet like the other Desiros but, they aren't loud. The doors in the car I was in would not open, no idea why, lights indicated they where unlocked. Tables will be missed, arm rests not so much. I'm seeing a lot of people use laptops on the Electrostars very often now.
Seats aren't bad, would of liked if they were more quiet like the other Desiros but, they aren't loud. The doors in the car I was in would not open, no idea why, lights indicated they where unlocked. Tables will be missed, arm rests not so much. I'm seeing a lot of people use laptops on the Electrostars very often now.Had my first ride on one this morning on the 08:32 from St Pancras to Blackfriars.
Noticeably more room inside as this was previously a very full 8 coach 387 when it arrived at STP - helped as I was at the very back of the platform so not many others got on in that coach.
Ride quality was very good and extremely quiet. Though as there seeemd to be a problem south of Blackfriars (all northbound trains were "delayed") we didn't get much speed up after Farringdon.
The Automatic PA announcements were very good. the manual announcement the driver made at City Thameslink - presumably to warn of the delay - was hard to understand. it was very muffled. - is the microphone in the correct position for the driver to speak into?
The seats are terrible! The 2 seats I treid had suffiecnt legroom for me but they are too narrow. The window seat is right up against the side of the train so my left shoulder was on the window - on the 365s there is a gap between the seat edge and the train side that prevents this. The result was that my right shoulder was actually about 1-2 inches over the adjacent seat so hate to think what it would be like if there was someone sat next to me. It definitely does need arm rests installing to prevent you being squshed by the person in the aisle seat !
Also a bit too upright for my liking - I was getting spasms in my back before we arrived at City Thameslink. Unable to rest my head on the seat back - which I can on the 365s on occasions when my back is causing problems.
Incedentally I haven't had any of those problems on the 387s when using the arm rests considering they are basically the same seat I think.
Noticeably more room inside as this was previously a very full 8 coach 387 when it arrived at STP - helped as I was at the very back of the platform so not many others got on in that coach.
Ride quality was very good and extremely quiet. Though as there seeemd to be a problem south of Blackfriars (all northbound trains were "delayed") we didn't get much speed up after Farringdon.
The Automatic PA announcements were very good. the manual announcement the driver made at City Thameslink - presumably to warn of the delay - was hard to understand. it was very muffled. - is the microphone in the correct position for the driver to speak into?
The seats are terrible! The 2 seats I treid had suffiecnt legroom for me but they are too narrow. The window seat is right up against the side of the train so my left shoulder was on the window - on the 365s there is a gap between the seat edge and the train side that prevents this. The result was that my right shoulder was actually about 1-2 inches over the adjacent seat so hate to think what it would be like if there was someone sat next to me. It definitely does need arm rests installing to prevent you being squshed by the person in the aisle seat !
Also a bit too upright for my liking - I was getting spasms in my back before we arrived at City Thameslink. Unable to rest my head on the seat back - which I can on the 365s on occasions when my back is causing problems.
Incedentally I haven't had any of those problems on the 387s when using the arm rests considering they are basically the same seat I think.
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Fincra5
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Wouldn't you like to stand for 2 hrs? When you normally get a seat at least til Haywards Heath?
Ok maybe if you get on After Hove you'll now have to stand.
rules? I thought we were talking about twits who just push the buttons when not needed.
And why, pray tell, are they "twits" for doing this? If there's a button with the word "OPEN" on it then it is reasonable to assume it will actually open the door.
Particularly given that the doors will open at some stations automatically on Thameslink and not at others, it seems a bit unfair to describe such people as "twits." We all know who'd be complaining if they didn't press the button at a station where the doors didn't open automatically, assuming that they would. (And given they will have observed them opening automatically at other stations, how will they know?)
OK, that was my shorthand for the residue of passengers that weren't included in my 'most' who will soon learn how things work ... (see post #4170). asylumxl's commented in post #4173 that I "overestimate the intelligence and mentality of your average commuter" so in that case those well below average who just don't seem to learn could reasonably be regarded as twits. *
* my term of endearment. Readers can substitue their own for these unfortunates.
The doors won't auto open at all stations so it makes perfect sense for people to continue pressing the button.
If nothing else, it allows for us to show off that we have the power to open the doors (at the right stations) with mind power alone. Just make sure to look like you're really concentrating when arriving at St Pancras...
If nothing else, it allows for us to show off that we have the power to open the doors (at the right stations) with mind power alone. Just make sure to look like you're really concentrating when arriving at St Pancras...
It's a swish of the hand for me, and an under the breath muttering about using the force.
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Can someone check that TB502 and 503 are 700s today please and if yes, which 700s are running?
I'm planning to get them later today.
I'm planning to get them later today.
I was on 1W11 a moment ago, and that was a 700. But I don't look for numbers so can't tell you which one it was.
I used the 08:32 from St Pancras to Blackfriars earlier - I think that was 700114.
Another thing I noticed this time is that due to the height of the seats it was not possible to put my feet flat on the floor without getting pain in the top of my legs as they were pressing against the hard seat. I was getting pins & needles in my right leg by the time I got up to get off at Blackfrars.
Not had the problem on a train before - on the 365s the seats are the correct height, 319s they are a bit too low and on other trains the padding in the seat means your leg sinks into the seat so no discomfort.
Another thing I noticed this time is that due to the height of the seats it was not possible to put my feet flat on the floor without getting pain in the top of my legs as they were pressing against the hard seat. I was getting pins & needles in my right leg by the time I got up to get off at Blackfrars.
Not had the problem on a train before - on the 365s the seats are the correct height, 319s they are a bit too low and on other trains the padding in the seat means your leg sinks into the seat so no discomfort.
asylumxl
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"Press the button you do not need to!"
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It's not that I don't think most commuters will not learn "the rules" but rather that I think they'll still ram in to a certain carriage at their origin station irrespective of lighter loadings in other carriages, because they want to be right by a certain exit at their destination station. Because somehow that couple of seconds lead on everyone else makes all the difference :roll: .
In some cases those few seconds do count though, as people will seek to make onward connections. It could mean catching a tube train one ahead of another, saving a couple of minutes. As I assume people over time get more confident, or just want more time in bed, it may well be the difference between arriving on time or arriving late.
When I arrive at Potters Bar I have 90 seconds until my bus is due to leave.
If I am in the coach next to the top of the ramp so I am first off through the ticket barriers there is no problem. (the train now waits for 6 minutes at WGC so is later than it used to be at Potters Bar but due to the wait at WGC is on time most days.
I do not have time to walk along the platform as then there is a queue to get out as there are only a total 3 ticket barriers for in and out for platforms 1&2 (so usually only 1 available for exit at that time in the morning). the next direct bus is an hour later - or 15 minute wait for another bus which then also requires a 15 minute walk at the other end.
So using a different coach in the train is not an option for me.
If I am in the coach next to the top of the ramp so I am first off through the ticket barriers there is no problem. (the train now waits for 6 minutes at WGC so is later than it used to be at Potters Bar but due to the wait at WGC is on time most days.
I do not have time to walk along the platform as then there is a queue to get out as there are only a total 3 ticket barriers for in and out for platforms 1&2 (so usually only 1 available for exit at that time in the morning). the next direct bus is an hour later - or 15 minute wait for another bus which then also requires a 15 minute walk at the other end.
So using a different coach in the train is not an option for me.
I too had a tight connection to a bus, with the added risk of the bus leaving early (Uno bus drivers used to do this regularly) so while I sat at the front of the train to have a seat, or space, I'd walk through so I'd be nearest the steps at Hatfield. On an 8 car train, that meant jumping off and back on the rear set at Potters Bar!
For rush hour, I can see people will be stuck in their ways, but the advantage is that now it will be harder for those people to argue that they ended up in first class because there was no room, or moaning on social media about a packed train when the TOC can provide logs showing there was in fact room.
For rush hour, I can see people will be stuck in their ways, but the advantage is that now it will be harder for those people to argue that they ended up in first class because there was no room, or moaning on social media about a packed train when the TOC can provide logs showing there was in fact room.
TB502 is 700114 - currently aboard 1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
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Here's a thought - could the TOC use this loading data to say how busy each carriage normally is on each service? This would be especially useful for the many stations that show almost all trains as red in the peaks (on the "train loadings" section on the TL website). Apologies if this was discussed earlier in the thread - I've only been following the last few hundred posts.
I assume all stations would need screens like St Pancras and Farringdon - whereby they'll be able to show the carriages and how busy each one is before it arrives. Even the website could show a much more accurate prediction based on previous data, as well as live data on the day. Obviously it's not possible to perfectly predict every train in real time (it may change by the time you get to it) but it's better than what we have now.
On a 12 car train, it might still be quite hard to actually work out which carriage is which when standing on the platform - unless the next plan is to mark out each carriage in some way along the platform.
Regulars will know where their chosen carriage is from habit, but expecting people to move around is perhaps asking a bit too much. How far up or down do you go? As mentioned before, once inside the train it's near impossible to work out where you are.
The screens will say where you are on them, and there are numbers at each carriage end that Joe Public will likely not realise.
Perhaps going forward, the screens can be adjusted so some information remains on at all times. The smaller video screen might be the one to show the carriage number, and the current time, even other stuff like weather information. Unlike most CIS, I assume the software on this is going to be quite dynamic and easily upgradeable over time.
On a 12 car train, it might still be quite hard to actually work out which carriage is which when standing on the platform - unless the next plan is to mark out each carriage in some way along the platform.
Regulars will know where their chosen carriage is from habit, but expecting people to move around is perhaps asking a bit too much. How far up or down do you go? As mentioned before, once inside the train it's near impossible to work out where you are.
The screens will say where you are on them, and there are numbers at each carriage end that Joe Public will likely not realise.
Perhaps going forward, the screens can be adjusted so some information remains on at all times. The smaller video screen might be the one to show the carriage number, and the current time, even other stuff like weather information. Unlike most CIS, I assume the software on this is going to be quite dynamic and easily upgradeable over time.
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