Who is to blame is irrelevant (so is Farage). The fact is the current administration is all at sea about the biggest change to the UK for 50 years but they still keep plodding on.
Cameron didn't have any plan at all.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-made-no-plans-brexit-7930947
Mr Blunt let rip at the minister, arguing the lack of planning “contrasts” with efforts made by the Bank of England in the run up to the vote, and that Mr Letwin had been left “picking up the pieces” of Mr Cameron's mistake.
“How much is it an act gross negligence that this contingency planning was not undertaken before the referendum?” he asked.
“It was frankly a dereliction of duty for there to be no contingency planning.
“Since there were only two options it might have been an idea to plan for both, don’t you think?”
Mr Letwin repeated that the task would be one for the next prime minister, but an outraged Mr Blunt noted Mr Cameron had insisted he would not stand down regardless of the vote.
“The Prime Minister says he’s staying and orders there to be no contingency planning, thereby making it quite impossible for him to stay in those circumstances since he would then be seen as negligent,” he railed.
Yet again you've refused to answer why the Leave side had no coherent plan.
Like I said: personal responsibility seems to be something you apply selectively.
Yet again you've refused to answer why the Leave side had no coherent plan.
Like I said: personal responsibility seems to be something you apply selectively.
For the second time any responsible Govt. should have done equal work on both possible outcomes.
Are you saying mp's on the Leave side had the full use of the home office civil servants like Cameron did ? because they didn't.Any work they could have done would have been minimal.
The Govt's job was to plan properly and it didn't because it was arrogant in assuming it was going to win.
Why? It wasn't their position.
Leave MPs were capable of strategising, because they had the resources to do so and also the capability of meeting up and setting out a coherent, believable plan.
I also don't see why you're bothered about what the Home Office would do: when they supported remain you rubbished all of their work. By that logic, anything they came up with for Leave would be equally biased and useless.
Your position is simply incoherent, and is a blatant attempt to buck responsibility for failure to have a plan.
Why? It wasn't their position.
Leave MPs were capable of strategising, because they had the resources to do so and also the capability of meeting up and setting out a coherent, believable plan.
I also don't see why you're bothered about what the Home Office would do: when they supported remain you rubbished all of their work. By that logic, anything they came up with for Leave would be equally biased and useless.
Your position is simply incoherent, and is a blatant attempt to buck responsibility for failure to have a plan.
If I would say now that we have a plan B, this would indicate a kind of willingness of the Commission to envisage seriously that Britain could leave the European Union, Juncker said.We dont have a plan B, we have a plan A. Britain will stay in the European Union as a constructive and active member of the Union.
It's the government's job to invoke the will of the people. Who was on what side is irrelevant.
Are you saying that the PM (who was a remainer) should just pass the buck and say "well you guys voted for it so you can implement it"?
They are the government, they should do the job that they are paid for, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. It is simply a fact of life for anyone with a job, which clearly isn't you
"It wasn't their position" you say so they had no reason to plan for the Leave outcome, what an inane and ridiculous thing to say.
Every decent general going into a battle always has plans for possible outcomes, it's simply common sense.
Trying to claim because Cameron thought he'd win he had no reason to plan for the opposite is blatantly stupid.
Junker was the same when he said-
And it's parliament's job to represent the people. There are plenty of Leave MPs and Lords who could have got together to come up with a unified plan. They didn't.
Keep digging and digging you may get somewhere eventually.
You have no response to a question I've posed several times. Why did no Leave MPs get together and come up with a unified plan? It's not my fault you don't know the difference between the government and parliament.
The only person digging here is you, as you keep attempting to buck responsibility for jumping into the unknown with no plan.
For the third time they didn't have the massive resources the Govt. have, what they could have done is tiny and would have been insignificant.
I remember at the time they were complaining that they couldn't get hold of any figures and information and the Tories were being deliberately awkward.
The Govt. should have planned for both outcomes, you think they should have buried their head in their hands and hoped for the best which is ridiculous.
What you're saying is a responsible Govt. has no need to plan for any eventuality if they don't think it will happen.
I think you'll find that view wouldn't be shared by many people with any basic intelligence.
He's never bothered turning up for work and it seems people like him for it. This is your "man of the people", everyone. He gets a ~£6,537 per month salary, and is happy to make full use of the expenses system too, yet has participated in less than half of the parliament's votes.
Problem is, Farage is like Trump, seemingly immune to criticism that would destroy a lot of moderate politicans.
I suspect a lot of people who voted for Trump and Farage/UKIP didn't necessarily like the men, but supported the message and see them as the only people prepared to stand up and say it.
What do you mean "they still keep plodding on" are you saying as they have no plan they should simply give up and forget Brexit.
To be fair to May although she's a committed Remainer she can't be blamed for there being no plan.
By leave not tying themselves to a plan, they were able to sell a leave vote. Hate immigrants? Vote leave. Think the NHS is broken? Vote leave. Want to stick it to the establishment? Vote leave. Etc. If they had to tie themselves to a plan, they'd have started to lose votes
The reason that Leave have no coherent plan is because they were entirely surprised to win.
And as I have already said, you rubbished the results of those "resources" when they worked for Remain. Why would anything they produced for Leave suddenly become reliable? As I also said earlier: your position is incoherent.
If Leave want a good plan, they should have got their elected representatives who support their position to have come up with one.
You brought this upon yourselves. Lie in your bed and take responsibility for it.
Well, they had enough information to want to give £350m a week to the NHS, and to cut immigration to tens of thousands, and loudly proclaim it on buses and posters.For the third time they didn't have the massive resources the Govt. have, what they could have done is tiny and would have been insignificant.
I remember at the time they were complaining that they couldn't get hold of any figures and information and the Tories were being deliberately awkward.
To say that a Government of the day with a view on the referendum should only plan for that outcome because they think it will go their way is the most rank stupid idea I've ever heard.
I wonder how many people would say a Govt. should only ever plan for what it thinks will happen and never be prepared for what might happen, very few I would imagine.
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.
During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.
But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat.
Of course this was the real reason they came up with no plan. Almost like it was a giant, contradictory con...
No wonder the papers are throwing fits because the courts rule parliament should have a say on Brexit: they wanted to sell it on a million different, mutually exclusive platforms, and then force through the one that suited them the most, all in the name of democracy.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.
Do you understand the difference between the government about our elected MPs? You do realise our elected representatives who supported Leave could have come up with a plan?