HarleyDavidson
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It's 0600 - 2359 now for Whistle boards. Changed over a year ago now.
One to be noted for my rules exam which is very soon!
It's 0600 - 2359 now for Whistle boards. Changed over a year ago now.
They should have been safe then. It would be unpleasant to be too near the yellow line, but not unsafe....those near me where already behind the yellow line...
One to be noted for my rules exam which is very soon!
If I see notice beyond the yellow line at a location where fast trains approach I will often tell people to stand back. e.g. at Gatwick Airport platform 4 (100mph line speed, I believe) I have asked tourists to stand back.
Not 100% correct.They should have been safe then. It would be unpleasant to be too near the yellow line, but not unsafe.
RAIB report, my emphasis.... a wheelchair occupied by a teenage girl moved towards the edge of platform [...] and came into multiple glancing contacts with the wagons of a passing freight train. The last contact pushed the wheelchair clear of the platform edge. The girl suffered a minor injury to her foot.
[...]The wheelchair was stationary, behind the yellow line painted on the platform, and with the wheels parallel to the railway tracks.
It's 0600 - 2359 now for Whistle boards. Changed over a year ago now.
Off topic, but what are the times for trams? Was in Croydon today and took the tram to/from New Addington and the driver didn't take any notice of the whistle board (I assume that's what they were? A W in a diamond) either way.
If the mean something else, that would explain it!
90mph for Gatwick, when they were doing the 377 110% overspeed tests for th commissioning during the night, Gatwick platforms 3/4 and 5/6 had to be closed to the public and confirmed to be clear before we were allowed to clear our signals for the tests.
90mph for Gatwick, when they were doing the 377 110% overspeed tests for th commissioning during the night, Gatwick platforms 3/4 and 5/6 had to be closed to the public and confirmed to be clear before we were allowed to clear our signals for the tests.
From observation, London Underground appear to have a slow approach speed when coming into a crowded platform.
A driver is entitled to drive his train at whatever the linespeed is for the station he happens to be passing through.
If any unfortunate incident occurred, the only person I'd have any sympathy for would be the driver himself, certainly not for stupid people who don't have the intelligence to stand back when a fast train approaches. Most platforms are long enough for people to spread out and create more space, they don't have to stand in a block which is so deep it reaches the platform edge!
Threads like this crop up now and again, the most worrying thing is the need for people to be told to stand clear of a platform edge.
No chance.
Some tube lines run on moving block ATO so may enter platforms more slowly during busy periods due to following other trains. Absolutely nothing to do with crowding levels.
It’s the same as the mainline. Horn (or kettle whistle) and emergency brake if necessary.
What a condescending attitude, some of these "stupid people" might not realise a fast train is approaching.
Island platforms at busy times, Gatwick Airport and Stevenage have been mentioned and Bromley South is another example although most trains do stop there.
I disagree it’s condescending. The reality is that people are made fully aware of the danger, but still ignore the warnings.
Bromley South is a case in point - I often go through platform 1 at 60mph on a regular empties movement.
Precisely because most trains stop here there are always clear announcements of a fast train approaching. Yet, still people choose to stand far too close to the platform edge!
Unless we slow the entire network to a permenant crawl or build platform edge doors at every single station we will have to deal with some level of risk.
The real question that needs to be answered, is why do people feel the need to stand beyond the yellow line towards the track?
Only when you've understood why people do that, then can you start to properly address the issue.
Do you really think anybody sets out with the intention of standing beyond the yellow line?
What a condescending attitude, some of these "stupid people" might not realise a fast train is approaching.
Island platforms at busy times, Gatwick Airport and Stevenage have been mentioned and Bromley South is another example although most trains do stop there.
If you're surprised by a train passing through a platform, or even worse hurt by it then I'm sorry but you're stupid. End of. Stay away until your train has stopped. It's not difficult.
How anyone can think anything other than that is staggering and frustrating.
If you're surprised by a train passing through a platform, or even worse hurt by it then I'm sorry but you're stupid. End of. Stay away until your train has stopped. It's not difficult.
How anyone can think anything other than that is staggering and frustrating.
Do you really think anybody sets out with the intention of standing beyond the yellow line? Some platforms can be so crowded it can be difficult to avoid doing so. Even behind the yellow line people can be uncomfortably close to fast moving trains.
Horn only needs to be sounded when the driver thinks it's justified or when specified by the presence of a W board (0700-2300) outside of those hours in emergency.
Try standing on St Albans City platform 3 (up fast) waiting for a train at around 08:00. Despite warnings, before arrival, passengers are usually packed from the yellow line back to the buildings walls (less than 6 ft) and there is a constant stream down the stairs trying to spread along the 12-car length of the platform just to stand a chance of getting on the train. Fast up trains (either HSTs or 222s) approach, often coasting at around 90mph from behing the line of sight, - the platform is on the inside of a long sweeping bend. Despite drivers sounding a warning as the platform is approached, other noise such as the frequent passage of fast trains on the opposite down platform can even defeat the effectiveness warning sounding and often the reaction of waiting passengers who have no alternative but to stand up to the limit of the yellow line is one of surprise and even shock.
What should these stupid passengers do?
Continue to crowd to the point they fall onto the tracks it seems..? If you're behind the line then all is good, beyond it not so.
I don't need to try it. I see that from the front every day there on the aforementioned fast up trains.
Such an odd defensive attitude from a lot of people when all we want to do is go home without the stress of our trains killing people.