Derailment at Wimbledon 6/11/17

[Dstock7080]

How many are there? I see at least five registrations in pictures, two older (57 and 07 being 2007 registered vehicles) and these three newer with 66 (2016) registrations, with some bearing the word "Emergency" across the front and others "POLICE"- but all have LU markings as well

There were 10 Mercedes 2007 incident rescue tenders, these are being replaced with 10 new Volvos.
Some of the new ones can be easily changed between LU ERU and BTPolice markings.

 

[DavyCrocket]

There are mostly LU marked Emergency vehicles which are driven by LU staff. There are some that can be converted to BTP markings and carry both LU and BTP fleet numbers.
If it’s driven by a Police driver in Police livery, then they can drive according to the incident they’re called to. So for routine incidents where no people are stuck or at risk of harm, it would not be graded as Immediate Response (though it’s up to the driver to grade how they will drive)

Only two of the four bases have BTP drivers at.

A number of other LU Vehicles as well as these are exempt from TfL managed banned turns and can use TfL bus lanes and stop and park on red routes if related to an incident.

How many are there? I see at least five registrations in pictures, two older (57 and 07 being 2007 registered vehicles) and these three newer with 66 (2016) registrations, with some bearing the word "Emergency" across the front and others "POLICE"- but all have LU markings as well

 

[matt_world2004]

Do the third party. Eg Network Rail or swr get charged for the use of the ert or is it provided by tfl as a service to London rail

 

[edwin_m]

However, when BR ran it the booking offices were quite non-integrated with LU, despite them providing the only service, they did not do LU tickets, and I was surprised at Southfields to get a BR hand-written paper ticket for a straightforward LU journey. The offices were also the first target for any staff shortages, as little of the fare money was going back to BR. There seemed no mechanisation.

However that wasn't a reason to transfer the ownership of the entire line. There were and are plenty of TfL staffed stations on NR infrastructure and it would have been quite simple to transfer the stations to TfL instead of SWT but leave the infrastructure with Railtrack (as it then was).

 

[MarkyT]

However that wasn't a reason to transfer the ownership of the entire line. There were and are plenty of TfL staffed stations on NR infrastructure and it would have been quite simple to transfer the stations to TfL instead of SWT but leave the infrastructure with Railtrack (as it then was).

When I worked at Railtrack Southern some colleagues explained the reason for the transfer to LU was to avoid the Wimbledon-Putney line becoming part of the legally defined 'national network'. Thus other train operators would be unable to bid for potentially disruptive paths over a piece of infrastructure critical to the District Lines's operation. The legacy empty stock and diversionary usage by the SW operator was always intended to be, and still is, safeguarded regardless of the ownership. However when I reported this in a comment on the London Reconnections blog, I was informed by someone very senior and intimately involved in the legal and corporate side of the privatisation process that it was not planned for that purpose and was actually a small deliberate attempt to push back against the privatisation agenda as far as London services were concerned, and the matter became embroiled in some last minute brinkmanship during the negotiations that could have potentially shut down shared line operations completely following privatisation. It also turns out that regardless of ownership, any piece of railway can be formally excluded from the open access network under European Interoperability Regulations, merely by being included in an "Approved List of Exclusions" maintained by the DfT: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...he-railways-interoperability-regulations-2011 . It seems slightly perverse that the Babbacombe Cliff Railway (for a local example), an independently owned broad gauge funicular with a gradient of 1:2.83 has to be included on this list to avoid the possibility of (say) Grand Central bidding for paths!

 

[rmt4ever]

Who will cop the bill for delay repay?

On LT you can claim a full refund if your train is delayed by 15 mins or more, including season ticket holders ! So that’s a hell of a lot of claims for delays from Wimbledon District Line today..

So will NR foot the bill as they are track owners and run the job? Or SWT as the ones who ran the derailed train?

 

[bb21]

Operator takes the hit for Delay Repay.

Inter-company compensation is a wholly different matter. Until exact cause is ascertained, it is too early to say.

 

[kw12]

I'm on this morning's 04.54 from Basingstoke. Guard had announced that this morning we will be going via the main line and will be in Waterloo earlier than normal.

 

[Dstock7080]

District Line still suspended this morning.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I did not realise that any regular passenger SWT/SWR services ran over the Wimbleton/Putney District line, I thought it was just for ECS and diversions for track work etc. (My local services were running over it in the last couple of years sometime at weekends when there was work on the mainline). Apart from the 0454 Basingstoke to Waterloo, does any one know what other services use that route. Is it only for services coming upto to Waterloo, or are there any in the opposite direction?

 

[Lrd]

I did not realise that any regular passenger SWT/SWR services ran over the Wimbleton/Putney District line, I thought it was just for ECS and diversions for track work etc. (My local services were running over it in the last couple of years sometime at weekends when there was work on the mainline). Apart from the 0454 Basingstoke to Waterloo, does any one know what other services use that route. Is it only for services coming upto to Waterloo, or are there any in the opposite direction?

The 0105 Waterloo to Southampton used to go that way and I believe it still does

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will many of the SWR services that go over the route go that way to maintain driver route knowledge?

 

[Kite159]

The 0105 Waterloo to Southampton used to go that way and I believe it still does

Also the 23:12 Waterloo - Basingstoke service goes that way

 

[Lrd]

Will many of the SWR services that go over the route go that way to maintain driver route knowledge?

Nah, they just take the passengers that way sometimes as it's a longer journey. The passengers get their money's worth that way

 

[TEW]

Also the 23:12 Waterloo - Basingstoke service goes that way

Also the 2254 Basingstoke-Waterloo and 0042 Waterloo-Strawberry Hill.

 

[josulivan6]

Anyone know the latest on this and when the line will reopen? What with the SWR strikes tomorrow i imagine Wimbledon will be a bit of a jam if the District line is not back up and running!

(This is my first ever post on here after a long time lurking and learning a lot of invaluable information!)

 

[swt_passenger]

Will many of the SWR services that go over the route go that way to maintain driver route knowledge?

Some (perhaps 3?) are to maintain route knowledge for drivers from certain depots. By far the majority of SWR trains that go that way, and there are 24 per day in total, are because it is operationally the best route to the depot for down trains, avoiding conflicts with the main lines through Wimbledon. This has been explained fairly regularly over the years.

 

[Trackman]

Anyone know the latest on this and when the line will reopen? What with the SWR strikes tomorrow i imagine Wimbledon will be a bit of a jam if the District line is not back up and running!

(This is my first ever post on here after a long time lurking and learning a lot of invaluable information!)

according to the email I've got from TfL, this afternoon.
I wouldn't hold your breath though!

 

[rebmcr]

Did the derailment happen on LU or NR infrastructure?

LUL infrastructure.

Someone should tell my District driver from this morning — kept announcing the closure south of Parsons Green due to "yesterday's derailment on Network Rail", which was, presumably by accident, so perfectly wrong that I was quite amused.

 

[Dr_Paul]

Also the 23:12 Waterloo - Basingstoke service goes that way

Yes -- and takes about twice as long to get to Wimbledon than it would via Earlsfield. Both times I've been on it, it crawled all the way from East Putney to Wimbledon, presumably as there was a District Line train in front. I didn't mind, as a different route is always interesting for me (not least going through platform 5 at Wimbledon the 'wrong way'), but other passengers were getting grumpy. Any reason why this service goes this way?

 

[swt_passenger]

Any reason why this service goes this way?

AIUI to maintain route knowledge for Basingstoke drivers. As I mentioned earlier, the vast majority of the 24 trains each day are doing the section because operationally it is the best way to or from Wimbledon Park depot. So normal moves of suburban stock - eg 455s and 458s to/from Wimbledon, automatically result in route knowledge maintenance for the 'local' drivers.

 

[bonzawe]

I note the signalling diagram shows no change with 2L10 still in place.


is this correct or has the train been moved?

 

[deecee16]

On a train to Waterloo this morning, saw that the train was still there with blocks of wood under the rear bogie. Returning this evening, it is still there after nearly 36 hours!
I was watching an episode of Paddington 24/7 last weekend where a bogie of a rear power car got derailed as is left the platform. I can't find the programme now but they managed to use hydraulic jacks and rerail it and repair the track in a lot less time than it's taken with this accident.

 

[Lrd]

On a train to Waterloo this morning, saw that the train was still there with blocks of wood under the rear bogie. Returning this evening, it is still there after nearly 36 hours!
I was watching an episode of Paddington 24/7 last weekend where a bogie of a rear power car got derailed as is left the platform. I can't find the programme now but they managed to use hydraulic jacks and rerail it and repair the track in a lot less time than it's taken with this accident.

There wasn't any points involved at Paddington.

 

[bonzawe]

There wasn't any points involved at Paddington.

I understand track repairs may take longer, but I would have thought the unit could have been moved. It did not take that long to re-rail the 350 at South Liverpool parkway. There should be a high priority in getting the District line up and running

 

[HarleyDavidson]

I understand track repairs may take longer, but I would have thought the unit could have been moved. It did not take that long to re-rail the 350 at South Liverpool parkway. There should be a high priority in getting the District line up and running

Why should it be a higher priority? It's not as if Wimbledon residents don't have enough choice when it comes to transport, they have car, bus, train, tram, cycle & usually tube and as they have Oyster cards they'll be valid on buses & trains, plus any supplementary TRBs that TfL lay on.

Let me get me violin out! How on earth do they cope.

 

[bramling]

I understand track repairs may take longer, but I would have thought the unit could have been moved. It did not take that long to re-rail the 350 at South Liverpool parkway. There should be a high priority in getting the District line up and running

Reading between the lines, there may well be an issue that certain activities may require either an isolation or block on the south western division's main lines. If so, I'd imagine keeping that running is regarded as more of a priority than the District Line. I'm given to believe there was quite substantial track damage on the District side as a result of the derailment.

 

[bonzawe]

Reading between the lines, there may well be an issue that certain activities may require either an isolation or block on the south western division's main lines. If so, I'd imagine keeping that running is regarded as more of a priority than the District Line. I'm given to believe there was quite substantial track damage on the District side as a result of the derailment.

That would make sense.

 

[yorksrob]

Indeed it does - several long retired BR managers said that feeding the recovery gangs was paramount + train crews working brilliantly and off diagram - the steak pie and baked beans offer , with loads of toast and tea / coffee went down so well....at 5am !

Was this provided from a railway vehicle ? I'm picturing an old buffet car painted yellow in my head.

 

[moley]

Yes -- and takes about twice as long to get to Wimbledon than it would via Earlsfield. Both times I've been on it, it crawled all the way from East Putney to Wimbledon, presumably as there was a District Line train in front. I didn't mind, as a different route is always interesting for me (not least going through platform 5 at Wimbledon the 'wrong way'), but other passengers were getting grumpy. Any reason why this service goes this way?

Why would you go the wrong way through platform 5 - surely you would go southbound through platform 7 - there is a route