Northern timetable plan for May 2018

[Confused147]

Apart from the fact Blackpool to Macclesfield won't happen at the May timetable change now because of the wires not being ready, .

I knew there'd be delays with the electrification work it was one of my 2018 predictions. Typical of the North, nothing ever gets completed on time. So do you know when the work will be completed and when trains are expected to run? I'm not looking forward to another summer travelling on a replacement fuss like last year

 

[Muzer]

I knew there'd be delays with the electrification work it was one of my 2018 predictions. Typical of the North, nothing ever gets completed on time. So do you know when the work will be completed and when trains are expected to run? I'm not looking forward to another summer travelling on a replacement fuss like last year

To be fair, it's the same in the south! Last electrification project to be on time must have been one of the Scottish ones...

 

[WatcherZero]

They had to do some remedial works but North West phase 1, Manchester-WCML did open on time.

 

[JMan]

I realise that the May timetables haven’t been confirmed yet, and the likelihood is that an interim timetable will be put in place but how likely is it that the ones loaded in opentraintimes will be the service pattern once electrification is complete? I only ask as there is a concerning change on my commute from Horwich to Manchester. At present trains to Manchester at 0659, 0719, 0725, 0746, 0817 and 0847. Come May/electrification: 0645, 0745, 0813, 0832, 0845 - no trains between 0645 and 0745? - surely a mistake... These trains are always so busy!

 

[Mathew S]

I realise that the May timetables haven’t been confirmed yet, and the likelihood is that an interim timetable will be put in place but how likely is it that the ones loaded in opentraintimes will be the service pattern once electrification is complete? I only ask as there is a concerning change on my commute from Horwich to Manchester. At present trains to Manchester at 0659, 0719, 0725, 0746, 0817 and 0847. Come May/electrification: 0645, 0745, 0813, 0832, 0845 - no trains between 0645 and 0745? - surely a mistake... These trains are always so busy!

The draft timetables weren't complete when they were uploaded to OTT etc. That much we know. I'd expect that gaps such as that are where there were still services to be added when the planners were suddenly told to drop everything and start again.

 

[Finfanero]

Have heard a rumour via a conductor via a passenger on Twitter that the 17:16 Leeds to Goole will no longer call at Woodlesford from May 2018, instead the 16:59 Leeds to Castleford will make the call.

From May Goole changing not for the good tbh

Goole 07:42 Leeds 08:50
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y24737/2018/05/29/advanced
Leeds 17:58 Goole 19:07
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y24704/2018/05/29/advanced

 

[Adam0984]

The morning one is a smidge too late could have done to be a similar time to the current one. The evening one I think is a vast improvement and may open up new opportunities for people who finish at 5 but couldn’t make the station by 17:16

 

[johntea]

Succession of unit failures. I think it suffers because it's only the one service that gets cancelled, rather than two as it's ECS from Leeds and is only a short out and back.

It was cancelled again this morning - ouch! (Luckily being half term in the area and Friday meant they sort of got away with it this time).

Starting to gain quite a bit of traction on Twitter now too :

https://www.twitter.com/search?q=woodlesford&src=typd

Also :

"According to Ls26 Facebook page the rush hour trains back to Woodlesford are being changed from May timetable release with no train at all between 6pm and 7pm."

 

[yorksrob]

If ever my train's short formed, people get left behind at Woodlesford.

 

[nw-sparks]

This morning's timetable database update included massive deletions of the proposed new timetable for May, you can see the results on my web site at http://www.charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/liverail and probably on RTT and OTT as well.

I wonder how long before we get to see the next version.

 

[Mathew S]

This morning's timetable database update included massive deletions of the proposed new timetable for May, you can see the results on my web site at http://www.charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/liverail and probably on RTT and OTT as well.

I wonder how long before we get to see the next version.

Indeed. All of the Northern services to/from/through Wigan have been taken out.
That says to me that they're either ready, or close to ready, to put the new version in. Either that or they've realised that they need to delete it before (more) booking sites start selling tickets for non-existent trains.

 

[DanNCL]

Almost all Northern services to/from Newcastle have been taken out of the timetable as well, and that is unlikely to be be directly related to the NW electrification running late. I wonder if Northern have now decided to keep the current timetable in May

 

[Mathew S]

Almost all Northern services to/from Newcastle have been taken out of the timetable as well, and that is unlikely to be be directly related to the NW electrification running late. I wonder if Northern have now decided to keep the current timetable in May

They can't keep all of the current timetable, even if they want to. Some services will need to change to fit around TPEs changes, otherwise a few sessions will lose any meaningful service at all. In a few cases, there would be no service at all at some stations, with TPE and Northern duplicating stops at others.
Realistically, I can't see it being anything other than some kind of hybrid, very temporary, compromise.

 

[ashworth]

All Northern services through Worksop have been removed. I presume this probably means that the new Sheffield to Retford stoppers and the speeding up of services to Lincoln may not be happening in May. I hope not, because I was really looking forward to much improved journey times from Mansfield to Sheffield, with better connections at Worksop. Never mind we’ve put up with these appalling connections for 20 years so perhaps another few months is not too long to wait.

 

[scrapy]

All Northern services through Worksop have been removed. I presume this probably means that the new Sheffield to Retford stoppers and the speeding up of services to Lincoln may not be happening in May. I hope not, because I was really looking forward to much improved journey times from Mansfield to Sheffield, with better connections at Worksop. Never mind we’ve put up with these appalling connections for 20 years so perhaps another few months is not too long to wait.

I don't think you can assume anything regarding the deletion of times. Is simply easier to delete everything and start again. It' harder to make mistakes that way.

 

[Wiganlad]

All services to Wigan North Western & Wallgate removed! It would have been exciting probably go back to summer 2017 times again

 

[northwichcat]

All services to Wigan North Western & Wallgate removed! It would have been exciting probably go back to summer 2017 times again

The majority of Northern and TPE services have been removed from all stations. The Manchester-Crewe and Stoke services are still in the system but most other routes have gone to no service or just a handful of services all day. The strike timetable for 3rd March has appeared so it seems that change happened at the same time.

 

[northwichcat]

I wonder how long before we get to see the next version.

Suggested date for the new timetables being made available was 7th March. However, as mentioned in another thread the RDG have said full timetables for the May timetable change will only appear in journey planners 4 weeks before the change.

 

[Geeves]

Seems like a good sign for future Leeds to Chester jobs and others. A 156 goes up to Leeds to enable the retraining of the east side on 156s from Monday. Comes up on the 0612 and goes back Empty stock to Newton Heath at 2123. Been a while since the last 156 went to Leeds.

 

[Bungle965]

Seems like a good sign for future Leeds to Chester jobs and others. A 156 goes up to Leeds to enable the retraining of the east side on 156s from Monday. Comes up on the 0612 and goes back Empty stock to Newton Heath at 2123. Been a while since the last 156 went to Leeds.

One almost went in October last year, however a landslide I believe it was meant that it was cancelled at Rochdale.
Sam

 

[Geeves]

Its probably a good thing it didn't as it really stitches up Leeds at the moment if it does. This one will definitely be going.

 

[agbrs_Jack]

It appears that the MAN-CNG-SOT sunday service has been removed entirely from RTT! I hope this is temporary while the timetable is being rewritten!
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CNG/2018/05/27/0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt

 

[northwichcat]

It appears that the MAN-CNG-SOT sunday service has been removed entirely from RTT! I hope this is temporary while the timetable is being rewritten!
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CNG/2018/05/27/0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt

The majority of Northern services have been deleted as already mentioned.

 

[agbrs_Jack]

The majority of Northern services have been deleted as already mentioned.

Ahhh good, hopefully they come back, and hopefully more than the current 5 each way!

 

[scrapy]

It appears that the MAN-CNG-SOT sunday service has been removed entirely from RTT! I hope this is temporary while the timetable is being rewritten!
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CNG/2018/05/27/0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt

Will be hourly on Sundays from May

 

[agbrs_Jack]

Will be hourly on Sundays from May

I certainly hope so!

 

[Charlie150275]

Any Idea of what routes are being Introduced in may if timetable plans go ahead? Thank you

 

[Geeves]

Not even the people working for Northern know yet. I dont think even the timetable planners know either!

 

[PR1Berske]

Any Idea of what routes are being Introduced in may if timetable plans go ahead? Thank you

A lot of the possible routes mentioned across these 40 pages may yet be delayed or scrapped, so you might be best waiting to find out with the rest of us!

 

[northwichcat]

A lot of the possible routes mentioned across these 40 pages may yet be delayed or scrapped, so you might be best waiting to find out with the rest of us!

Really any service could fall in to the 'delayed' category. However, Northern have franchise requirements to meet and while Wigan-Bolton-Manchester-Alderley Edge may not be required as a through service, so Northern could scrap it as a through route, they will still need to run Wigan-Bolton-Manchester services and Manchester-Alderley Edge services.