All the time mainstream politicians sweep certain issues under the carpet
In relation to Tommy Robinson, what issues?
All the time mainstream politicians sweep certain issues under the carpet
Apart from the fact he hasn't 'got off', he has been released on bail, until the case is reheard, you are correct that the appeal process he used is open to anyone, including those in the Leeds trial.
For Yaxley jail is merely an occupational hazard which works in his favour.
All the time mainstream politicians sweep certain issues under the carpet there will be a role for "the muppet and his minions" as you so eloquently put it.
Whether there is a retrial remains to be seen.
He's on bail, so there will be a retrial.
He still committed a crime, so there will be public outrage if he isn't retrialled.
As with anything else if the CPS don't think there is a reasonable chance of a conviction there won't be. When you say public outrage do you just mean outrage on here?
I notice there is still not a similar thread about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged anti semetism.
As with anything else if the CPS don't think there is a reasonable chance of a conviction there won't be. When you say public outrage do you just mean outrage on here?
I notice there is still not a similar thread about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged anti semetism.
I notice there is still not a similar thread about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged anti semetism.
As with anything else if the CPS don't think there is a reasonable chance of a conviction there won't be. When you say public outrage do you just mean outrage on here?
I notice there is still not a similar thread about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged anti semetism.
As with anything else if the CPS don't think there is a reasonable chance of a conviction there won't be. When you say public outrage do you just mean outrage on here?
I notice there is still not a similar thread about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged anti semetism.
Why would the CPS think there wouldn’t be a reasonable chance of conviction? The man pleaded guilty!
The technical issues relate to procedural problems and the method used to calculate the length of his sentence, not his guilt.
So why the need for a retrial rather than reduce the length of his sentence as appropriate?
So why the need for a retrial rather than reduce the length of his sentence as appropriate?
I think some reviews beg to differ...
https://www.theguardian.com/society...anctuary-newcastle-grooming-gangs-case-review
That's not how Wikipedia works. An author can't just cite an opinion, they have to provide a basis of it which was in the form of their cited article. Any sources deemed unreliable will be removed, as has been the case with The Daily Mail. Why they've not yet disregarded The Sun though is another cause for concern and probably does leave questions to be asked.
I'll give you that one, I must've disregarded my own statement. Probably because, in hindsight, it was so much an understatement even. But on the other hand I have no idea what motives you think I've got under my sleeves. Far as I'm concerned Tommy Robinson made his own mistakes and is responsible for his own actions. I've little sympathy for a man who knowingly breaks the law despite having already been warned. Even he knows it was a stupid thing to do, now he just needs to think about what he gained from it while he's in the pen.
You can wonder that as much as you wish and I don't claim to be a bastion of wisdom, but I'd say I've lived enough to know that the world isn't as black and white as some people seem to view it. It's not as simple as people suddenly being narrow-minded just because they might follow a nationalist group like Britain First. With two-million followers, not all of them are going to be narrow-minded nasty thick individuals who are mislead by extremists. Some of them just want to see someone talking about the issues that concern them and probably can't see it the same way you or I could. Narrow-mindedness, in my opinion, would be more like someone watching InfoWars and Fox News because they see every other news output as Jewish-Controlled Zionist media and that anyone who can't see that is a sheep. It's even more unfortunate for me to actually know someone like that.
Oh you think I'm bad? Then I hope for your sake you don't meet that person I was on about before. I'm not sure you could handle someone who has admitted straight up they'd believe anything Alex Jones said and insists that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be fried in an electric chair in the middle of Washington any day now. No specific day has been given, but apparently it's definitely gonna happen. I'm not joking either, and really it's hard to comfortably talk about an issue knowing they'll have a similar stance. If they ever saw this thread I can just imagine them now thinking I'm suddenly wanting a second crusades.
I'm afraid all 2 million members are hideous narrow-minded people, I find it indefensible.
It is clearly believable that all members of 'Britain First' are - to use your original wording - "narrow-minded nasty thick individuals who are mislead by extremists", or at least one of those attributes.How do you mean?
It is clearly believable that all members of 'Britain First' are - to use your original wording - "narrow-minded nasty thick individuals who are mislead by extremists", or at least one of those attributes.
I mean they can hardly be broad-minded, clever individuals who are not mislead, otherwise they'd obviously not be members! Quite simple really!
I doubt their membership is really 2 million though; is there any independent verification of 2 million unique members? I find that impossible to believe.
It is clearly believable that all members of 'Britain First' are - to use your original wording - "narrow-minded nasty thick individuals who are mislead by extremists", or at least one of those attributes.
I mean they can hardly be broad-minded, clever individuals who are not mislead, otherwise they'd obviously not be members! Quite simple really!
I doubt their membership is really 2 million though; is there any independent verification of 2 million unique members? I find that impossible to believe.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.Having quoted the entire post it was hard to pick up on what was meant originally. Had the part of Britain First been highlighted or the only thing shown then it would've been easier. The two million figure is based on the amount of Facebook followers, which like AlterEgo said could like be from overseas. I know a few of their followers are American, who are especially susceptible to being mislead by them. If they have limited knowledge of our legal system then it's easy for them to be lead to think Tommy Robinson was a political prisoner rather than a common criminal. You'd hardly be surprised at the ignorance some of them display. I mean for god's sake the very man this thread's about was arrested for trying to illegally get into the U.S., but then I suppose strong borders are only a bad idea if it gets in the way of an agenda.
Even so, that doesn't necessarily mean all two million are narrow-minded thick individuals, just on the basis of how large parties have diverse opinions (not all 500,000 members of the Labour Party follows Jeremy Corbyn's vision for example) and since we haven't met all of BF's members/followers. I mean I don't particularly want to meet them all really since not only do I care too little to even bother with them, but some of the followers have demonstrated that they can't even spell properly. Talk about getting immigrants to learn the language, at least they have excuses for getting words wrong occasionally. In fact I've seen a few well phrased and spelled words and sentences written by people who've had to clarify that English isn't their first language before I'd even realise it wasn't. They could very well just not say it and I'd be none the wiser about their heritage.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
Ok, I'll bite. Can you care to actually give an example of anti semitism from Corbyn? As far as I can see, all of the talk from people criticising him has mainly just been that, talk. No actual examples.
He has made a few badly worded statements in the past that could be interpreted in a specific way if you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel, but the main issue that seemingly has exploded in the last couple of weeks is a non issue in my eyes as all Labour have said is that they essentially disagree with the idea that criticising the state of Israel is anti semitism, which I see as perfectly sane. The idea that you cannot criticise Israel, of compare some of its policies to things that have happened in the past is literally insane (its also worth mentioning, part of this, the 2010 event, the comments were from a Holocaust survivor).
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...after-backing-artist-behind-antisemitic-mural
In a Facebook post in 2012, Corbyn offered his backing to Los Angeles-based street artist Mear One, whose mural, featuring several known antisemitic tropes, was due to be removed after complaints.
Mear One said on his Facebook page: “Tomorrow they want to buff my mural Freedom of Expression. London Calling, Public art.”
Corbyn replied: “Why? You are in good company. Rockerfeller [sic] destroyed Diego Viera’s [sic] mural because it includes a picture of Lenin.”
A lot of this is what totally P*sses people off - you concentrate on a tiny minute handful of nazi wannabes who will never gain power and have little if any influence and ignore an ideology that has two million followers in this country alone which has a track record of human rights abuses in every single country it controls. It makes me cringe to see so called anti-fascists pander to the greatest fascist organisation on the planet.
Women with learning disabilities are being raped and beaten as the Home Office hands visas to the foreign abusers that they were forced to marry, The Times has found.
The victims include a Muslim woman with “very little comprehension of anything other than simple matters” who was assaulted and made to have sex after marrying a Bangladeshi cousin. The man was issued with a spousal visa to join her in Britain even though officials knew that his wife was severely disabled, court records show.
That's ridiculous logic. I could ask why you (or anyone else who is defending and/or exhibiting signs of supporting the far right) have not created a thread expressing moral outrage at all sorts of things. It's a completely meaningless distraction tactic and strawman argument.Indeed.
Horrific stories like the below demonstrate the appalling abuses and disgusting cultural practices now being allowed to thrive in this country, as a direct result of a careless immigration policy and political correctness.
I wonder if we will have a thread on here expressing as much moral outrage at these despicable physical abuses of vulnerable adults as Robinson has inspired for contempt of court?!
There won’t be, of course. It will be ignored and minimised as ethnic/religious minorities can do no wrong in the eyes of many posters on here (unless they’re Jewish, of course!).
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...h-disabilities-raped-by-visa-cheats-qvckt8mr6
That's ridiculous logic. I could ask why you (or anyone else who is defending and/or exhibiting signs of supporting the far right) have not created a thread expressing moral outrage at all sorts of things. It's a completely meaningless distraction tactic and strawman argument.
This thread is meant to be a discussion about an individual known as 'Tommy Robinson'; I do not understand why you think that going on about people not discussing other matters (which have been carefully selected by you; there are plenty of other things going on that people might reasonably be outraged about, but many of those things would not support your argument!) proves any point you are trying to make.
Your attempt at using this line of logic, and merely repeating it, is utterly bizarre .
Please do. Well past the 'cusp'. Too much "whataboutism" already.I concede it is on the cusp of straying off topic so I will leave it there (I wonder how popular a thread on “Labour anti semitism” would be - I might even create one ).
It's not supposed to be a holiday camp. But mental toughness will get you through. It did me. Perhaps S Y-L is somewhat lacking."That was not a prison sentence, that was mental torture."
Complaining about solitary confinement after, according to rumour, requesting it himself? And what on earth is maximum disruptance?"Solitary confinement, all of it, everything was orchestrated and organised to cause me maximum disruptance"
Nice that he acknowledges that supporting him can lead to reputational damage."I'd like to thank person after person after person, who come out and put their neck and their reputation on the line"
Using a broad brush to paint all members of an organisation as having limited intellect is too simplistic. Britain First are dangerous not because every member is a knuckle dragging neanderthal, but because there are some within the organisation who have the intelligence to rabble rouse and lead.