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I suppose it would depend on who would replace him.
I really do not understand RM and Co, clearly quite happy with no deal, claiming it wouldn't be a problem or cause job losses because most countries trade under WTO terms. But surely anyone with at least a modicum of brains can understand that for years our industry and business have traded with Europe and shipped components around Europe with no Tariffs or Border issues, You cannot suddenly change that and not expect their to be significant changes to business practise and potential Job loses its crazy.
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May's called a press conference at 5pm. Not a statement, just a press conference. She's got parliament against her, the public (both sides) against her, might as well go for the hat-trick and have the press against her.
trash80
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A piece of cheese would do a better job, and probably know more about railways
NSEFAN
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The deal being proposed is a transient one, isn't it? If so, it doesn't sound too unreasonable. We still get to trade with the EU but have to accept some terms set by them. This is quite logical as they are the bigger market and we are already geared up for compliance with them, for legacy reasons. Having a stable relationship which is similar to what we have now will give the government more time to thrash out something for the longer term.
I reckon that this was almost inevitable, regardless of who was PM at the time. Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al. can wibble all they like, but the truth is that May has at least stuck to her station until now, despite the almost inevitable outcome. I doubt that those cowards would have done the same.
EM2
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Isn't it all going terribly well? 
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May had no chance of getting a good deal for the UK, if we got a good deal other EU countries would want to follow us. She can not please both sides of the debate, there is no compromise between in and out. Democracy has dictated the majority of people who voted want out. A no deal will have a bigger negative effect on the EU than us. In the short term we will have a rough ride but long term the whole of the UK will be better off.
Lets get on with the preparation for a no deal and start and talk to the rest of the world. My recent big worry is the European army proposal. The head of a country has the say if we go to war, a European army would be manged by an un-elected head, and we would have no say, or recon-pence of being able to vote them out, as we did with Blair. Just look at what the European courts have done to us, we can not kick the bad boys out of the UK, as they are entitled to a family life.
If we do not leave with a good deal or a no deal, the Tories will split and UKIP will become the third elected party. Please before any criticism of UKIP read what other polices they would support.
Lets get on with the preparation for a no deal and start and talk to the rest of the world. My recent big worry is the European army proposal. The head of a country has the say if we go to war, a European army would be manged by an un-elected head, and we would have no say, or recon-pence of being able to vote them out, as we did with Blair. Just look at what the European courts have done to us, we can not kick the bad boys out of the UK, as they are entitled to a family life.
If we do not leave with a good deal or a no deal, the Tories will split and UKIP will become the third elected party. Please before any criticism of UKIP read what other polices they would support.
EM2
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So why bother negotiating at all? Activate Article 50, wait two years and walk away.
Evidence?
Done that. They're still far-right fantasists. What have they done for the UK in the European Parliament since their supposed huge victory a few years ago?
trash80
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UKIP policies? Taxi drivers to wear ties wasn't it?
DarloRich
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Can may now head off a vote of no confidence?
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I agree. All of those lies about how much more they needed us that us them have been truly sucked-up. Maybe most leavers just aren't very good at basic arithmetic. I'll try to make it easy for them:
The population of the EU nations less the UK is about 433 million and their total exports to the UK are about £288 billion.
The population of the UK is about 65 million, and its exports to the rest of the EU about £274 billion.
So doing the quite simple calculation of exports divided by population gives the amount at risk per capita:
a) EU (27) loses all of it's UK export market, cost per citizen in those countries = £288 billion divided by 433 million = approx. £650
a) UK losses all of it's EU (27) export market, cost per citizen in those countries = £274 billion divided by 65 million = approx. £4215
Maybe everybody here but leavers are missing something but to me, every citizen in the UK being £4215 out of pocket seems a lot worse than every EU(27) citizen being just £650 short.
Then there is the lie about a European army. It is proposed, not (even yet) for real and just as the UK managed to stay out of the Euro and Schengen, there would be no way that we could be forced to commit out forces to an EU chosen commander, elected or not, (even one that happened to be a UK citizen).
And it is the populists who keep whining on about fake news yet they are the first to believe obvious lies as long as they come from one of their dubious cheerleaders. What a dystopian society we have grown into over the last 8 years.
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trash80
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Dude how old skool are you, actual facts? Don't you know such things are now obsolete in this crumbling realm?
Mvann
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Well at least the French aren't happy with the deal either. I think Holland, Denmark and Spain was also mentioned.
If I can educate some of those misled then I'm happy to spend the time. As for those that don't want to know, I despair on such an important issue.
trash80
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They don't need facts and knowledge, passion and patriotism is all they need apparently. I hope none of them are medical personnel.
Mvann
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You missed the bit about uk only exporting 44% of its goods to the EU. Down from about 55% 20 years ago
Basher
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Evidence is after an event not before.
Mvann
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At least we found out today why George soros is funding remain.
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You clearly have no idea about the complexities of world trade, or even our obligations under NATO.
We're still waiting for an answer to the question from the discussion below. I won't hold my breath, you probably learned the same time as Raab about the importance of Dover.......
Looks to me like we are going to end up with either a deal worse than we already had or no deal and some nightmare like Rees-Mogg in charge. I'm kind of swapping between holding my head in my hands and then laughing. Ha ha. What an absolute mess. I really don't recall that many people being that up in arms about the EU before Cameron opened Pandoras Box.
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It's strange how some people have a go at UKIP, but the membership is on the increase again. There was a lot of voters voted for them.
As soon as some people here the word UKIP they call them racist fanatics, its usually the woolly left who have to take a lot of the responsibility for this fast becoming a broken society.
As soon as some people here the word UKIP they call them racist fanatics, its usually the woolly left who have to take a lot of the responsibility for this fast becoming a broken society.
What's that got to do with the risk on the 44%?
Still, just keep on consoling yourself with all that contol over the pennies that you'll have. What a bargain!
Why do the left usually have to take a lot of responsibility?
The "Let's blame Labour" excuse is beyond boring now.
Those who fail to learn from History are doomed to repeat it. Especially when it comes to Germany.
trash80
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Thats ok then, its only just under half our exports not just over half, no need to worry then
trash80
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I know, i always preferred Dennis the Menace
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