Then maybe you should all get together and watch the replay again to understand why he cannot keep doing that in the braking zone, it isn't like he hasn't been warned multiple times. This whole Verstappen playing the victim thing is getting tiresome now.
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Then maybe you should all get together and watch the replay again to understand why he cannot keep doing that in the braking zone, it isn't like he hasn't been warned multiple times. This whole Verstappen playing the victim thing is getting tiresome now.
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Pakenhamtrain
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One of these days Max is going to cause a bit pile up.
The problem with Max he has a world of talent but his ego gets in the way far too often. Someone at Red Bull needs to slap him over the head.
Indeed. Great driver, crap temperament.
I'm a massive fan and i'm sure many others are because they like the whole anti-establishment thing. But not for me when it comes to potential safety issues.
Pakenhamtrain
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He will. Experience and a wiser head will see to that. If not Red Bull will stamp thier foot down after he destroys thier mulit million dollar toy one too many times.
DarloRich
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he is an immature kid. He does silly things sometimes. He will learn that there is a time and a place for balls out all or nothing dives up the inside and a time and a place for living to fight another day.
He will also learn there are cliches
Which of course is complete irrelevance.
He can look forward to more sanctions then.
The_Train
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I can't deny that he had plenty of luck in Germany and that Vettel has made plenty of mistakes at a time when he seems a lot quicker than Hamilton. However, I wouldn't place luck as the main reason for Hamiltons win yesterday. He drove superbly throughout particularly in pressuring Vettel into the early mistake and in obtaining some impressive lap times when Kimi made his stop. And let's not forget how sensible he was when biding his time in overtaking Kimi towards the end of the race.
And talking of sensible, that is something that Verstappen needs to learn how to be if he is going to realise his potential. Not only was the move that caused his 5 sec penalty stupid, but his immaturity in persisting with his pointless battle with Bottas also cost him another place with Vettel also finishing within the 5 seconds as well. Poor show from him yet again
Geezertronic
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I see the Crashtappen Instagram has been updated with his latest indiscretion 
The kid will either learn, will keep getting penalised, or be as lucky as Schumacher when it comes to making "deliberate" mistakes (ask Damon Hill). Even Vettel made another mistake so even a multi-world champion is not immune to a mistake or two (although admittedly his mistake in the German Grand Prix was massively superior). Isn't the Mercedes engine due a failure on Hamilton's car to benefit a German driver?
The kid will either learn, will keep getting penalised, or be as lucky as Schumacher when it comes to making "deliberate" mistakes (ask Damon Hill). Even Vettel made another mistake so even a multi-world champion is not immune to a mistake or two (although admittedly his mistake in the German Grand Prix was massively superior). Isn't the Mercedes engine due a failure on Hamilton's car to benefit a German driver? I’m not discounting that Hamilton drove superbly. But he did have a massive stroke of luck in the Vettel incident. On another day it could have been Hamilton that ends up spinning from the coming together. (And given the side Hamilton was on, the field would have piled into him). Or even say Vettel pulls out and let’s Hamilton past at the chicane he could easily be back at him later in the lap. I think battling both Ferraris would have been a very different race.
KashmireHawker
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Kubica's incredible return officially announced at Williams for 2019!
Geezertronic
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Only time will tell whether he will be languishing at the back of the grid, or whether he will have the Alonso effect and drive the wheel-nuts off a poor car (but good engine in this case)
DarloRich
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indeed - a fantastic comeback story against injury and odds but is he as good as he was before?
I am also looking forward to seeing Lando Norris and George Russell in action. Sadly neither is in a competitive car. I also expect Lance Stroll to be in the Force India. Ocon has been badly treated in all of this.
Alexander Albon in the Torro Rosso is an interesting one. A bit left field.
Money talks while talent walks.
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Interesting reading back to September....how much Max has matured since then, don't think he's been involved in anything that could be his fault (?).
Don't care if Hamilton is a Brit or not, watching him win nearly every race is killing the entertainment for me. So now I'm looking forward to Max taking the bull by the horns (geddit??) and challenging Hamilton and the rest next season - making F1 interesting again.
Don't care if Hamilton is a Brit or not, watching him win nearly every race is killing the entertainment for me. So now I'm looking forward to Max taking the bull by the horns (geddit??) and challenging Hamilton and the rest next season - making F1 interesting again.
There's enough entertainment behind him to keep my interest in the sport. And I do enjoy watching Lewis leave the competition for dust. He is sublime to watch and his mastery of his car, tactics, and of the circuits is majestic.
trash80
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Yes there is that but after a while the same person winning over and over again gets tedious, i've zoned out of F1 for now as i did during Schumacher's dominance. Hopefully will return in a few years when its mixed up a bit again.
Schumacher was most successful when there was little serious competition. The Ferrari was also more reliable and faster than most of the competition at the time. That's not to say that he wasn't a competent driver, if not the most sportsman like.
The fact that the Ferrari was faster than the Mercedes for much of this year is a tribute to Hamilton's skill in getting those points, - sometimes from way back positions. Vettel's response has been patchy, particularly when under pressure and he is prone to impatient moves which usually lose him positions as in the German race which with the car's better performance, he should have won easily.
There are interesting battles to come, notably Verstappen who has started to mature and will hopefully, consolidate his ranking without driving his car like a poleaxe. Hamilton has matured yet retained his edge by knowing the car and driving it to the limit but not to destruction. His abilities have been compared to Senna by several of those drivers who experienced that competition. Next year should be interesting.
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trash80
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The big IF will be if the Honda Red Bull is competitive though RB seem professional enough to make a success of it unlike McLaren.
But to his credit Hamilton didn't just sit back once he'd got the world championship title. He went for every race and made it as entertaining as he could. There's not much else he can do* if there isn't anybody good enough to challenge him.
*Despite his team giving him the unconventional challenge of running 49 laps on one set of tyres, which he accepted and delivered!
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I thought they had to change them at least once? **Admits** don't follow it all too closely so not sure!
One Q for the followers, all circuits seem to be clockwise (??) so does that have any affect on the inside tyres compared to the outside, and are those to be used inside "stronger" than out so there's no inbalance? Or vice-versa as the outside ones have to go further??
They do, drivers have to use two different compounds during the race. An exemption is made when there is a wet race.
Five tracks this year were anti-clockwise.
trash80
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I get what people are saying about Hamilton being great, and a contender for GOAT for sure but i still find boring the same person winning all the time. Thats the same as any sport to be honest. Each to their own eh?
Howardh
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Everyone knows Man City will win the Premiership. But at least there's interest in there are Euro places up for grabs (and the added interest in hoping Man U don't get one!) and relegation.
In F1 second place in the overall standings means next-to-nothing to the average follower I suppose, so once the championship's as-good-as won, the remaining GP's are dead rubbers. Someone (Ecclestone??) had an idea that the last race should be double points (or something) - or have I misread?
You are not wrong.
That amount of dominance from a driver AND the team is not good for the spectacle of the sport.
Double points for the final race was introduced a few years ago after the Redbull dominance but quickly abandoned...think it only lasted a year.
trash80
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Well i don't watch the premier league anymore either because of the dominance of a few :P
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trash80
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Bit of a strange idea to be honest.
In ye olde days (well the 80s anyway) only the best results counted so someone who ground out minor places would be penalised in favour of someone who went all out to win
KashmireHawker
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Double Points only happened for Abu Dhabi 2014, which saw Lewis's 2nd title be clinched; rightfully hasn't happened since IMO knowing how much drama was taken out of the race!
Leclerc ended today on top in his new Ferrari, at the end of season tyre test at the same circuit
Leclerc ended today on top in his new Ferrari, at the end of season tyre test at the same circuit