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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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chuff chuff said:
They've been to Inverurie previously and will run Aberdeen to Inverness at some point.The previous runs to Inverurie would have been the refurbished set.
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Thanks. I knew that they would eventually run through to Inverness, just didn't know that they had already gone north of Aberdeen - though it makes sense for the busy Inverurie/Dyce to Edinburgh services to get the boost in capacity.
 
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najaB said:
Thanks. I knew that they would eventually run through to Inverness, just didn't know that they had already gone north of Aberdeen - though it makes sense for the busy Inverurie/Dyce to Edinburgh services to get the boost in capacity.
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I believe LNER (or predecessor) have run Inverness-Aberdeen as a diversionary route when the HML has been undergoing engineering work.
 
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gingertom said:
I believe LNER (or predecessor) have run Inverness-Aberdeen as a diversionary route when the HML has been undergoing engineering work.
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True. Though I more meant that I didn't know that the crew signed that way rather than the rolling stock being physically cleared. :)
 
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najaB said:
Are they cleared through to Inverrurie? It looks like this path is a HST: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G10199/2018/11/27/advanced (Timed for 100mph max / Diesel locomotive, trailing load 324 tonnes)
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I believe LNER (or predecessor) have run Inverness-Aberdeen as a diversionary route when the HML has been undergoing engineering work.
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HSTs have been cleared to use the Aberdeen-Inverness route since 1978 - picture of 254002 on the first run in April that year at Huntly.

https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/1486

I think the Sunday southbound Highland Chieftain used to run via Aberdeen on a regular basis in its early days. Certainly I went this way when heading to York one weekend in September 1984.
 
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Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, but branding-wise, what does the '7' in 'Inter7City' refer to?
 
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Tobberz said:
Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, but branding-wise, what does the '7' in 'Inter7City' refer to?
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There are seven settlements that are officially recognised as Cities in Scotland- Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling, Perth, Dundee, Aberdeen and Inverness. The Inter7city services connect these (though none of the five routes from Edinburgh to Glasgow is included in Inter7city)
 
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Tobberz said:
Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, but branding-wise, what does the '7' in 'Inter7City' refer to?
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As mentioned above it's the seven cities of Scotland and you can see a landmark from each city along the sides of the powercars:

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Presumably it's also different enough from "InterCity" that they don't have to cough up to HM Government to licence its use, the rather silly situation that caused the loss of this branding in England.
 
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Doveymain158 said:
Does anyone know if HA26 is likely to be on the 0907 off Aberdeen in the morning?
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Understand its now should be a classic HST set as of this week.... Should do 0530 Edinburgh Aberdeen then drops onto 0907 EX Aberdeen....

Does any body know the HST Power cars & formation that worked on Monday 26th November on 0530 Edinburgh Aberdeen then did 0907 EX Aberdeen to Edinburgh.....

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Bletchleyite said:
Presumably it's also different enough from "InterCity" that they don't have to cough up to HM Government to licence its use, the rather silly situation that caused the loss of this branding in England.
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I remember reading at the launch of Inter7City that Scotrail did need DFT permission to use the brand.
 
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SC43090 said:
Understand its now should be a classic HST set as of this week.... Should do 0530 Edinburgh Aberdeen then drops onto 0907 EX Aberdeen....

Does any body know the HST Power cars & formation that worked on Monday 26th November on 0530 Edinburgh Aberdeen then did 0907 EX Aberdeen to Edinburgh.....

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Power cars were 43179/43033 unrefurbished stock don't know the numbers.
 
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Chrism20 said:
Probably a silly question so excuse me if it is but will a couple of hundred people and their luggage down the back affect how you notch up/down compared to doing so on the empty training train.

I'm assuming 200 or so people and their luggage will add a bit of weight but will it make much of a difference?
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I really don't know, as I haven't driven one with any passengers yet - there is plenty of power, so, as far as an HST goes, it shouldn't make much of a difference
 
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chuff chuff said:
The refurbished set (s) won't be going anywhere near Inverness,the depots on the east coast run are already pretty much trained on it so would make sense to keep it running Aberdeen to Edinburgh.
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As far as I'm aware, we've been told that the 'classic' sets & the 'Inter7City' sets (or currently, just a set...) won't be separated. I've seen diagrams & they don't specify which HST is booked - just that it's booked for a 4 coach HST.

Anyway, Inverness crews will still need training on the refurbished sets..
 
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Class83 said:
Is the braking on a 4/5 car HST that much worse than a DMU or could Scotrail apply for a dispensation to allow DMU limits to be used, I thought HSTs were allowed to use the higher limit when there were split limits anyway?
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No, HST can use 'MU' differential speed boards, but the HML has 'SP' differential speeds, which can only be used by 'sprinter' type trains (this includes 170s, although I wouldn't call them 'sprinters').

The brakes are actually just as good, if not better, than a disc braked DMU, they are just different in how they operate (particularly at slow speed) - they take longer to apply & even longer again to release (kind of like a locomotive & coaches brake).

I'd hope the speeds on the HML will be seriously looked at, to get the full potential of the phenomenal performance of the HSTs
 
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gsnedders said:
Right, but that would require an amendment to the SA to allow operation with a single power car without an unchecked run, would it not? (And I have no idea how hard it would be to get such an amendment made to the SA?)
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jimm said:
HSTs have been cleared to use the Aberdeen-Inverness route since 1978 - picture of 254002 on the first run in April that year at Huntly.

https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/1486

I think the Sunday southbound Highland Chieftain used to run via Aberdeen on a regular basis in its early days. Certainly I went this way when heading to York one weekend in September 1984.
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Quite right - it did! An East Coast set ran that way in early 2016 ECS, as it was stranded in Inverness when the HML was damaged by flooding near Dalguise. There was supposed to be a Scotrail one running ECS Aberdeen-Inverness last Sunday, but it was cancelled
 
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jingsmonty said:
As far as I'm aware, we've been told that the 'classic' sets & the 'Inter7City' sets (or currently, just a set...) won't be separated. I've seen diagrams & they don't specify which HST is booked - just that it's booked for a 4 coach HST.

Anyway, Inverness crews will still need training on the refurbished sets..
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I've seen diagrams with 1x HST/4 and 1x HST/4C.
 
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jingsmonty said:
Wonder if that's how the diagram specifies classic or Inter7city set? I was definetly told by someone 'in the know' that there wouldn't be separate diagrams for the 2 types - maybe that's changed?
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Well who knows and I'm probably including scotrail in that.
 
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Apologies if I've missed it, but what happened to the RMT demands that the 'classic' HSTs weren't to be used due to them not being fitted with controlled emission toilets?
 
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