Now for my 2p's worth.
We've been told that we are not allowed to join a service which is SD or alight from a service which is marked PU, if booked pass.
So explain that one then. If it applies to staff, it most certainly applies to passengers.
Yes it applies. You may be charged the fare from the previous station on a set-down only, or charged the fare to the next station on a pick up only. e.g. you board a Euston to Glasgow train with a staff season valid to Watford, the next stop is Crewe, but it calls at Watford to pick up. You could be charged to Crewe as your ticket is only valid to Watford and not valid to Crewe.
WSMR permit staff to do Marylebone-Banbury, and I'm sure most TOCs allow staff to use PU/SD stations, as it's considered one of the perks for being staff. (Not saying that's right or wrong but it's just generally the done thing).
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This is a fascinating thread. Two points. Point one, if someone (an ordinary member of the public, not necessarily someone who knows about these things) happens to be waiting on a platform - Clapham Junction, say - and a train pulls in to the Waterloo-bound platform, how will they know that it is set-down only? Trains pass through Clapham Junction every few minutes and you just hop on the first one that comes along if you are changing there. In such circumstances, even if it is not technically allowed to get on, would it not be very harsh to charge the passenger concerned?
They could be charged from the previous stop, e.g Woking, in theory. In reality they wouldn't be. But in theory they could.
Secondly, and in relation to another thread, should not the efforts of the train companies be better directed at catching fare-dodgers rather than those who have paid a fare but, inadvertently or not, found themselves making a short journey on a train which they might technically be not allowed to travel on?
Agreed, but some don't agree and the rules allow them to do it.
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I spoke to ATOC about this today.
Firstly they were unaware that there were still set down and pick up only stops (:roll::roll::roll
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That said, the response was quite clear and I quote verbatim " If the train is stopping to set down then passengers are not permitted to join the train, the same applies in reverse in the case of a pick up only stop. The NCoC are quite clear as to how an excess fare is raised."
So there you have it. Not allowed.
Hehe, the person you spoke to at ATOC is the first line. You need to have the right contacts to get sense out of them! (I personally don't).
The fact they do not know it exists does rather suggest that what they say on the subject can't be taken to be gospel. However, perhaps unusually for ATOC, they are quite right to say an excess can be charged. Of course, with an ALR the excess is zero. But a ticket from Stratford to London could be excessed. ATOC are right. It would be harsh but it could, technically be done.
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Their answer was that there is an excess charge to be raised back to the last stopping point irrespective of ticket held. As it was explained to me, the ticket boarded with would not be valid
You can't excess an ALR, as it's valid.
I agree a Stratford-London (or similar) ticket could be excessed from Chelmsford. This is because a valid ticket for that service is Chelmsford-London, therefore a Chelmsford-London excess can be issued.
If such a ticket is
already held then it cannot be charged
again. It will hardly ever be the case that such a ticket is already held - usually only in the case of rovers. It is not in the interests of passengers to pay for Chelmsford-London to do Stratford-London, or pay for London-Crewe to do London-Watford Jn.