No the basis of my arguement is that this T&C is totally unenforceable, so their is no point in it existing in the first place. Most other things in the NCoC are enforceable.
Your opinion NOT fact. You are now suggesting that the NCoCs rewritten to comply with the OFT are unenforcable ? Therefore fare evasion can not be dealt with ?
The T&C can be easily enforced, and indeed would be, by an RPI at Thetford, were one to be there at the material time.
If a law can't be enforced there is no point in it existing.
Murder is a crime but unenforcable, because people get murdered all the time. Therefore on that basis we should repeal the Law ?
Similarly burglary is unenforcable as well then.
It is breaking T&C's - not the law big difference. Don't see why you feel I should seek a legal opinion, anyone with a valid ticket on the train & station they are using will not get done for fare evasion. If I had done it myself I would sleep very soundly, however I would have gone for the Ely - Thetford ticket it is cheaper
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The T&Cs form part of the Contract when purchasing the ticket. If you break the Contract you are in breach. If you break the T&Cs you are in breach of Contract. In the Commercial world, the remedy would be to go to the Civil Court and recover damages. As I explained earlier the relationship with railway tickets is enforced through Criminal not Civil Law.
I am glad old timer that you never do anything illegal, at least there is one decent human in the world.
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Everyone does things that are illegal, either to a lesser or greater extent of quantum. I regularly criticise the Lisbon "Treaty". This is a Criminal Offence uunder EU Legislation.
The difference is that I would NOT steal or evade paying the correct fare. You can argue that I am being moralistic. That was the way I was brought up, and my children were brought up. I definitely sleep well at night. If you view fare evasion as somehow being acceptable then that is a very strange position for a railway employee to take I have to say.
I never have disputed that the it breaks the T&C's but the simple fact is it is impossible to enforce. How I look at it is that if stagecoach are that bothered about it they need to withdraw the ticket, as people will continue doing it as it is so easy..
Stagecoach are not losing money. They have been paid for a service they have provided. Why do you think there is a restriction on use shown on the Megatrain website ? It is to protect the revenue to other stations.
As for enforcability, I have already answered that one above.
BTW just imagine how different the would would be now if we didn't fight for things we believe in, we would all be paying poll tax now. Stagecoach may even change the T&C if they realise it isn't working, stranger things have happened. Big companies tend to bully customers, I did take BA to court once an won by fighting an unfair T&C (which I agreed to during booking), I am glad I did so I know that just because a big company thinks they can bully people the court sometimes takes the little persons side.
How can anyone be bullied ? The ticket was freely purchased.
The T&Cs are perfectly acceptable for someone travelling to Norwich. They are not however for soemone travelling to Thetford. But then again that was the whole point of the T&Cs wasn't it. Indeed Megatrain even explain this on the website :roll::roll:
So simply becuase Megatrain are offering an incredibly low fare but imposing conditions as to how it is used, this is bullying ? It is also unfair ???
Oh PLEASE :roll::roll::roll:
. BTW just imagine how different the would would be now if we didn't fight for things we believe in, we would all be paying poll tax now. .
Oh how noble. The old lady existing on a small pension will be so glad to be paying the same amount of Council Tax as a household of six or seven, or indeed as a Millionaire :roll:
The poll tax was an attempt at fairness in that those who used more of a Local Authorities services paid proportionally.
It was intersting that those who shouted loudest were those who never actually PAID rates in any case (and never would do because so many were on benefits and would have been exempt anyway), aided and abetted by those who were quite happy for the rest of us to pay higher rates in order to subsidse their lifestyles.
Why should I spend so much more when I can easily, easily get away with a technically invalid ticket (no BOJ at CLJ technically, although I have to get off to change anyway) which costs almost half as much?
