& this charlatan Johnson is the UK’s elected pm?
The UK is a democracy. Johnson is prime minister. Therefore he was democratically elected. QED.
& this charlatan Johnson is the UK’s elected pm?
Except, of course, that we don't elect a prime minister. The PM doesn't even need to be elected as an MP.The UK is a democracy. Johnson is prime minister. Therefore he was democratically elected.
I'm not so sure about that.... He's already been floating the idea the either the EU as a whole or Ireland in particular are responsible for No Deal.
Except, of course, that we don't elect a prime minister. The PM doesn't even need to be elected as an MP.
The UK is a democracy. Johnson is prime minister. Therefore he was democratically elected. QED.
Elected by the votes of 92,153 tory party members. That's not democracy.
Of course! & honour the Good Friday Agreement! As the uk will stand by it’s word!It is the EU and Ireland's fault! The UK democratically voted to leave the EU. The EU and Ireland must accept that and give us what we voted for! That's democracy!
Elected by the votes of 92,153 tory party members. That's not democracy.
Who else should elect the leader of the Tory party?
Exactly. I don't remember the remoaners complaining when Blair was prime minister.
They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac.
LolWho else should elect the leader of the Tory party?
The trouble is that Boris Johnson is one of six hundred and fifty that we democratically elect. Why is he to be the one to decide the others are getting in the way of democracy? He is Prime Minister because he is presumed to hold the confidence of Parliament, but Parliament has only sat for a whole seven hours (on the 25th of July) since came into office.The people's will was clearly expressed in 2016 via a simple question. Of course, the real world is more complex, so the instruction of the people must be interpreted by those we democratically elect, such as Boris Johnson. He is quite right to shut down parliament when try to get in the way of democracy.
Indeed!I do remember some scathing criticism of Brown, when he took over from Blair without a general election.
In particular, from, uh, Johnson...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...how-boris-johnson-described-gordon-brown-2007
I do remember some scathing criticism of Brown, when he took over from Blair without a general election.
In particular, from, uh, Johnson...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...how-boris-johnson-described-gordon-brown-2007
This attitude I just can't understand. Surely *no one* should be actively hoping for a disastrous outcome. I suggest the above is quite revealing into the mentality of parts of the remain side.
The trouble is that Boris Johnson is one of six hundred and fifty that we democratically elect. Why is he to be the one to decide the others are getting in the way of democracy? He is Prime Minister because he is presumed to hold the confidence of Parliament, but Parliament has only sat for a whole seven hours (on the 25th of July) since came into office.
Regardless, if that conclusion were reached, I think the correct way of dealing with those who are "getting in the way of democracy" is to dissolve Parliament, and go to the people for another General Election. (That's not as easy to do now though, since the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.) Using an extended prorogation to hamper the efforts of the opposition is a rather underhanded political manoeuvre. The opposition may well be seeking to undertake equally underhanded actions, but they don't do so from a position of power.
In the conventional Westminster System, the Prime Minister gains authority from commanding the support of Parliament. And the Members of Parliament gain their authority by being selected by the electorate. Traditionally, referenda haven't been part of the system at all. But we now have the strange situation where the electorate gave one view during a referendum, and then selected a Parliament that holds an opposing view. Add on the fact that the recent coalition government made it harder for Parliaments to be dissolved early, and that's the root of the constitutional crisis that's been simmering away for the past few years.
Of course! & honour the Good Friday Agreement! As the uk will stand by it’s word!
The Queen's set the date. She's only allowed to act on the advice given to her, and the current Prime Minister isn't likely to change his mind.But that’s the only problem? Doesn’t she have to do as told by the pm?
We all know that the uk’s current pm cannot be trusted. So what’s the point of concluding whatever kind of treaty?The Good Friday Agreement v Democracy. Democracy wins. Good night.
We all know that the uk’s current pm cannot be trusted. So what’s the point of concluding whatever kind of treaty?
At least the good people of NI will be able to look for bombs attached to the bus you just threw them under...The Good Friday Agreement v Democracy. Democracy wins. Good night.
At least the good people of NI will be able to look for bombs attached to the bus you just threw them under...
I don't think sarcasm or irony translates well in this medium.
The Good Friday Agreement v Democracy. Democracy wins. Good night.
Who were the "Remoaners" when Blair was Prime Minister?Exactly. I don't remember the remoaners complaining when Blair was prime minister.
Quite right. The GFA was not accepted by referenda held in Northern Ireland and Ireland on the 22nd of May 1998 with "yes" votes of 71% and 94% respectively while a decision to leave the EU without a deal was made by the UK electorate on....no, wait a minute!
Who were the "Remoaners" when Blair was Prime Minister?