Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
In an urban environment yes, but rural halts with just three trains a day?
That would be silly and would just cause another Beeching.
In an urban environment yes, but rural halts with just three trains a day?
That’s theoretically a good idea but in practice a complete waste of time given the RMTs position is currently so entrenched & wouldn’t accept any verdict other than it being deemed unsafe & should be discontinued.
We say that we don't want to restart a debate about DOO/DCO in itself and I certainly agree that it was done to death in the Southern/OBS thread - but that was quite some time ago now and attitudes appear to have changed (a little) - by rail staff becoming a bit more pragmatic versus the RMT becoming ever more ruthless at maintaining their stranglehold with strikes etc.
If we don't want an 'updated' DOO/DCO debate then I don't see how this thread can really progress.
as long as topics get locked the discussion will always end up carrying on into another thread and then that thread goes off topic and gets locked......and so the cycle continues on and on and.........I believe this thread should remain as a vehicle to discuss how WMT are coping (or not) with their strikes and their contingency plans etc, and any other strikes that may be called.
I’ve reported the SWR thread a couple of times to get that reopened in the run up to the strikes on their network, but got no luck.
I actually would like to see an updated DOO argument thread similar to you, but in its own thread and with strict rules, like you say I think the mood has changed in some places.
In an urban environment yes, but rural halts with just three trains a day?
What is the price of a persons life?
There is one (there has to be for calculating road safety improvement viability) and it doesn't justify staffing rural halts. Not in a million years.
They'd close before they got staffed. Do you want that?
If H&S got obsessive enough that regular dispatch was only considered permissible at a staffed platform, local door could be used at such locations - by definition they're quiet.
So in your eyes you are only worth a small portion of a say £30,000?
If there is a real risk to somebodies life then yes I would prefer it closed!!!
How will it save 10 seconds, as there are 10 bells involved.
In the method they want to bring infor us, there will be 10 bells involved.
I do hope that isn't what is used. We are however talking about WMT.
Having said that, 10-bell doesn't cause much delay on Voyagers where it's been used for years.
Voyagers have 1.5 min dwell at every station, compare that to WMT average 45 seconds...
I'm puzzled by that; perhaps you mean 323s.compare that to WMT average 45 seconds...
On the 350s, when the train stops the conductor releases his door, walks across the platform to make sure the train has stopped in the right place, returns and presses the button to open the door. The air system then thinks about releasing the seals before the doors slowly open.
Genuine attempts were made & considerable time spent at Merseyrail via ACAS & WMR to try and agree a new passanger facing role whilst conceding the RMTs wish for trains not to run DOO but simply ended up hijacked by those who wouldn’t relinquish the perceived bargaining power of controlling doors , so currently it would be a pointless exerciseI understand the reasoning behind your post but if you add proper passenger representation to such a review I suspect all concerned on both sides of the debate would realise that their entrenched positions, at both extremes, are not necessarily in the interests of actual fare paying passengers. And without passengers there is no point to the railways in the first place. It's time their voices were heard but in a calm environment away from the glare of the media spotlight.
Given the last passanger dispatch related death was on a guarded train, what’s the point in making such provocative statements like that on this thread ?What is the price of a persons life?