Spirit555
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One of those 142s at the Chasewater, 029 (I think) is there for spares and stripping only.
142027 is the spares donor and already heavily stripped
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One of those 142s at the Chasewater, 029 (I think) is there for spares and stripping only.
So has this been confirmed yet?They have been purchased by Arlington fleet group
you don't see scrapyards confirming they have bought pacers... its going to be one of those things that becomes apparent over timeSo has this been confirmed yet?
I see all the preserved ones are at heritage lines in the east of the country! What about those of us pacer afficenados in the west of the UK.I see that to be perfectly fine, it could be part of the agreement that they have made with northern to store the units.
Northern:
2 class 142s stored at NH
2 class 142s stored at Blackburn king street
8 class 142s stored at HT
1 class 142 stored at NL
Off lease:
12 class 142s stored at gascoigne wood (will be 9 tomorrow)
Arlington fleet group:
3 class 142s stored at Eastleigh (will be 6 tomorrow)
South Wales police:
1 class 142 at Bridgend rugby pitch
TFW:
2 class 142s stored at LE
1 class 142 stored at CF
preserved:
2 class 142s at gascoigne wood
1 class 142 at Locomotion
1 class 142 at the east Kent railway
2 class 142s at the whitrope heritage centre
3 class 142s at the Chasewater railway
2 class 142s at the Wensleydale railway
1 class 142 at the mid Norfolk railway
2 class 142s at the Rushden railway
33 class 142s have been scrapped
We can but hope some Welsh ones will be preserved in the westI see all the preserved ones are at heritage lines in the east of the country! What about those of us pacer afficenados in the west of the UK.
Personally think it's crazy to preserve quite so many in the first place but hey!
More preserved Pacers than Deltics and 40s combined. Very OTT.Personally think it's crazy to preserve quite so many in the first place but hey!
I personally think maybe one from each operator so tfw preserve one get preserve one and northern preserve oneMore preserved Pacers than Deltics and 40s combined. Very OTT.
One of each class would have been plenty.
More preserved Pacers than Deltics and 40s combined. Very OTT.
One of each class would have been plenty.
Agreed. I totally do not understand the Pacer love-in going on. They were rubbish when built and they’re rubbish now. Given some of the prices quoted for acquiring the 142s, there’s a few people/railways that have taken leave of their senses.I think the trouble is every railway wants their OWN pacer, regardless if the line down the road also has one. Totally unviable in reality and will bite alot of them on the backside. A handful of pacers spread geographically round the country would have made more sense and generated an actual attraction rather than this circus in the east of England whereby there will be pacers running on most heritage routes.
However I do hope these units don’t lead to a mass scrapping of 1st gen units.
There is a post on Twitter saying that 142004 and 142090 are working 5T44 ECS working from Newton Heath TMD to Blackburn King Street for warm storage.
There is a post on Twitter saying that 142004 and 142090 are working 5T44 ECS working from Newton Heath TMD to Blackburn King Street for warm storage.
Well 004 and 090 are the only 142s at NH so must be them!I can't confirm the unit numbers but it has just passed my house as 142+142.
There is a post on Twitter saying that 142004 and 142090 are working 5T44 ECS working from Newton Heath TMD to Blackburn King Street for warm storage.
This is my fear I suppose. The NYMR and WSR bought withdrawn class 100 or 105 units in the late 70s/early 80s and ran them in much the same way as cheaper out of the box traction. By the 1990s what with their deteriorating condition, asbestos contamination etc. They were generally set aside and scrapped and replaced by the latest stock released from BR. Very few of these vehicles now survive. Class 105 is down to three vehicles. So it's not without precedent.
Looking more recently at say the KWVR. The 108 performed sterling service in this form from withdrawal by BR through to about 2011, when the 101 replaced it. I've been hoping the 108 would return one day but it's sat aside awaiting a thorough overhaul. My fear is with the arrival of the 144, will the 101 be set aside for a overhaul too and end up joining the 108 parked up out of use for a prolonged period.
I think mostly they have been preserved as a runaround for quiet times. This isn’t to say that they’re not Pacer fans. I say this as there have been various pacer preservation groups formed over the last few years and most seem to have died a death due to lack of funds or interest. One of them saved the cab end from 142059 which was stored under Manchester Victoria station (stored at the line in Preston I believe) but nothing else seems to have happened with these various groups.I am only a rail (and Pacer) enthusiast and have no real understanding of how railways are run or the costs involved - so forgive me if this question is naive, but is it possible some of the Pacers making their way to preserved lines are there because people involved in those railways are Pacer enthusiasts and they just want one, regardless of whether they will ever run in revenue service. Are private buyers involved - with some of these railways providing somewhere for lucky boys (depending on your marmite pacer viewpoint) with big toys to play for a fee?
As I said, naive enthusiast, so if this is unrealistic and financial nonsense then please feel free to say so - in a kindly way
Best thing they can do is send em to the scrappers ASAP. Sooner the better.I've been told that the 144s at Keighley are now stored prior to going off-lease and won't be going back into service. Those at Heaton are warm-stored in case they're required for a while.
It's all very well saying they're for use at quiet times, but a Pacer is not something that your average heritage railway visitor is going to want to pay to travel on. A 142 with bus seats and no tables is frankly not going to cut it, and will likely put visitors off from wanting to come again.I think mostly they have been preserved as a runaround for quiet times. This isn’t to say that they’re not Pacer fans. I say this as there have been various pacer preservation groups formed over the last few years and most seem to have died a death due to lack of funds or interest. One of them saved the cab end from 142059 which was stored under Manchester Victoria station (stored at the line in Preston I believe) but nothing else seems to have happened with these various groups.