The police don't, as evidenced by their repeated refusal to police 20 mph speed limit areas.You don’t think the police have a mandate to protect the safety of the public?
The police don't, as evidenced by their repeated refusal to police 20 mph speed limit areas.You don’t think the police have a mandate to protect the safety of the public?
Spot on once again. A lot of anger building up among key transport workers about the behaviour of others. This isnt just train driverd and gaurds btw.
There will be antibodies, the question is how long they last.
Anger and bitterness indeed. Rather than criticising people you should try to understand how hard this is for some people. Have some empathy man.Yes absolutely people need to realise this.
At my work today, like all week, we’ve been pulling out all the stops to run the absolute best possible service with the (depleted) resources available. With a lot of effort put in, I can honestly say I have come home satisfied that I’ve done the absolute best in order to support the country as a whole, and in particular those key workers not least the NHS but not forgetting others too. I’m 100% sure this is the case across the board.
It’s little short of enraging to then come home to see others treating the whole thing as a holiday, or moaning about his awful it is that Easter breaks are being disrupted, or to see dog mess all over normally clean paths, or to find one has to queue for the supermarket just because some people are going there as a time-filling jaunt. There’s now a petty argument over police power, let’s all remember police are also putting themselves at a degree of risk, and I’m sure few really relish the idea of having to go round moving people on from parks or breaking up house parties. I can’t say I’ve had any problems with police, although to be fair I’ve not really come across many. In all cases I’ve just had a mutually respecting nod and wink, perhaps I just have the right look who knows?!
The anger and bitterness which is building up is not going to dissipate readily. A lot of people need to have a serious reflection on their behaviour and actions over the last three weeks - but sadly those who need to do this the most are likely to be those with the least self-awareness.
Anger and bitterness indeed. Rather than criticising people you should try to understand how hard this is for some people. Have some empathy man.
That clearly isn't what happened. The measures were in stages, and quite rightly too. It was a sensible, phased approach...The government initially tried to treat the population with respect and assume a level of maturity would be forthcoming, this approach proved a disastrous failure hence we ended up with a legally enforced lockdown.
I can tell you're angry but I don't really see what you are describing (except occurring in a small percentage of the population which really isn't worth getting angry about); I am used to working in sometimes challenging situations with sometimes ungrateful people, It doesn't make me an angry person. It's very unhealthy to be so negative....Can some *really* not see how the behaviour of some is causing anger to build up? Maybe anger isn’t quite the right word - how about intense frustration and disappointment that when the country needed people to step up to the task, some have spectacularly failed.
That clearly isn't what happened. The measures were in stages, and quite rightly too. It was a sensible, phased approach.
I can tell you're angry but I don't really see what you are describing (except occurring in a small percentage of the population which really isn't worth getting angry about); I am used to working in sometimes challenging situations with sometimes ungrateful people, It doesn't make me an angry person. It's very unhealthy to be so negative.
Indeed. Being unfair to poor people who don't have a private garden with their flats is just a bonus for the Conservatives!Restrictions are about minimising spread, not about being fair. Plenty of people who paid a fortune to live in posh flats will have exactly the same problem as someone in a Council block.
Maybe but if so it will be due to changes in policy based on evidence and in any case I don't think it could have reasonably been done straight away without the staged approach we had.I can say with some certainty that what happened certainly wasn’t planned as a neat phased operation. Indeed the lockdown seems to have been more the outcome of the cobra meeting on that Monday.
I don't think that's fair comment at all; they are after all allowing people to exercise without Draconian restrictions. Some other countries aren't. I don't have a private garden but I've been out walking for miles and the law allows me to do so in this country.Indeed. Being unfair to poor people who don't have a private garden with their flats is just a bonus for the Conservatives!
If it's relevant that your colleague has been up that long then it is illegal for them to be driving while over tried. It is as bad as drunk driving but not prosecuted as much.I’m normally fairly pro cycling, however the problem we have now is it seems to have become a bandwagon activity for bored people. A colleague was moaning today that on his journey home yesterday he was constantly having to negotiate groups of cyclists. Just what one wants having been up since 0300 in the morning.
To be clear, I mean that the editors and supporters of the Conservatives newspapers see the opportunity to criticise poor people as a bonus. This government has been surprisingly ecumenical, doing some liberal and some social policies as well.I don't think that's fair comment at all; they are after all allowing people to exercise without Draconian restrictions. Some other countries aren't. I don't have a private garden but I've been out walking for miles and the law allows me to do so in this country.
I'd hate to live somewhere like the Republic of Ireland.
I’ll be surprised if London doesn’t get a second wave, or perhaps doesn’t see the flattening which the rest of the country might be expected to be seeing. The last couple of days have seen a very conspicuous increase in people out and about. Groups of hoodies are now frequenting the empty trains, having no doubt twigged that police are nowhere to be seen and there’s now no revenue protection. The traffic on my journey home from work (by car today) was if anything worse than a normal weekday, at least until having left London when things thinned, and retail parks and supermarket car parks could be seen with car parks filled to capacity. Plenty of evidence of sunbathing, and there were some busy trains and platforms in places this morning, certainly with no social distancing in evidence to the required standards.
To be honest I don’t know why I’m bothering doing my bit going to work when this is clearly being treated by many as a national holiday. There was a pretty toxic atmosphere at my work, with some pretty major anger bubbling up at all this. I bet this is even more so in industries where deaths are being seen, such as the buses.
It probably isn’t helping that the government does have a bit of a vacuum at the moment, but I think there are now signs of potential trouble ahead. The way elements of the population are behaving is nothing short of a disgrace.
Tomorrow we’ll see the weekly spectacle of the clapping to support the NHS staff. Why do people have the nerve to bother when one minute they’re clapping and next minute sticking the proverbial finger up?
Well it looks like the present movement restrictions will be maintained for at least another 2-3 weeks which is a relief. Maybe the next review will be about 2 weeks after the easter weekend when the effects on any non-compliance with the rules can be seen as an increase in the number of cases. If there is another upswing, then expect there to be at least 3 weeks more from then. Some people really don't help at all.
Gratefully, the police successes in recent days seem to be from neighbours and other complying people informing the police of selfish behaviour. As the majority of the population are doing the right thing, to see their riends and relatives go down sick and even die will cause a lot of anger so the selfish ones can't expect much sympathy except from the few others like them. That will enable the police to operate in the interests of the majority.
It’s little short of enraging to then come home to see others treating the whole thing as a holiday, or moaning about his awful it is that Easter breaks are being disrupted, or to see dog mess all over normally clean paths, or to find one has to queue for the supermarket just because some people are going there as a time-filling jaunt.
There’s now a petty argument over police power, let’s all remember police are also putting themselves at a degree of risk, and I’m sure few really relish the idea of having to go round moving people on from parks or breaking up house parties. I can’t say I’ve had any problems with police, although to be fair I’ve not really come across many. In all cases I’ve just had a mutually respecting nod and wink, perhaps I just have the right look who knows?!
The anger and bitterness which is building up is not going to dissipate readily. A lot of people need to have a serious reflection on their behaviour and actions over the last three weeks - but sadly those who need to do this the most are likely to be those with the least self-awareness.
Indeed. Being unfair to poor people who don't have a private garden with their flats is just a bonus for the Conservatives!
I think that is a very thoughtful and prescient paragraph, particularly the last sentence.This kind of thing is spreading as readily and easily as the virus, people are way too quick and eager to berate others without even necessarily having good reason, or an understanding of the circumstances. This is going to leave a deep psychological scar on our society that will likely have implications well into the future. This pandemic is not an excuse to be crap to, or angry at each other. If people are doing things they are not allowed to, talk to them. If they are doing things that might cause concern to others, talk to them, we need to stay human throughout this, otherwise what is the point?
There have been some who have shown a severe disrespect through their activities for sure. But equally there is a growing number of people using this crisis to magnify their own personal loathing of others. One example, I have a friend who is a nurse in the NHS who has just shared a Facebook post from another showing a letter that was left on their car. Basically the letter was from a neighbour who had spotted them going out everyday "not wearing a uniform". The letter went on to say that this meant this person was "part of the problem" & that they had been "reported". The friend of my friend is also a nurse, but for obvious reasons was changing in and out of uniform at the hospital.
Seen this video doing the rounds last night. In it a SYP Officer tells a family they can’t be in their front garden. No where in any regulations is this the case, and in fact the government have explicitly said you can be on your own property.Can we have some clarification on being allowed on your own Garden during the Governments lockdown and Social distancing. One of your officers was recorded in Rotherham Eastwood village telling a couple with children they are not allowed on their own garden... Reading government legislation our PM @BorisJohnson has said ”You can still use your garden freely, considering it is a part of your own property and not a public place where risk of infection is heightened"...
It’s little short of enraging to then come home to see others treating the whole thing as a holiday, or moaning about his awful it is that Easter breaks are being disrupted,
In all honesty I tend to take the more cynical view. However the feeling described is pretty typical in the various workplaces I’ve been involved with over the last month or so, and especially this week as in some places many elements of the lockdown are quite clearly breaking apart.
https://twitter.com/grandad1975/status/1248247686563631104?s=21
Seen this video doing the rounds last night. In it a SYP Officer tells a family they can’t be in their front garden. No where in any regulations is this the case, and in fact the government have explicitly said you can be on your own property.
SYP completely in the wrong here and have rightly apologised, saying they want their approach to be clear and yet I think the only thing that is clear is that some forces are at serious risk of undermining any goodwill that is necessary for the restrictions to work.
SYP completely in the wrong here and have rightly apologised
It's easy to be at work and see those who aren't as having a jolly, but my experience isn't the same. I'm still working but at home, as is my wife, and trying to do that with a toddler isn't easy; it's easy for me to see those who've been furloughed as having it easier, but that's not true either.
Having travelled into the centre of Manchester for work this week it seems there are still lots of cars on the road, even around 7pm. Are all these journeys really essential? I’d be happy to be stopped by the Police and asked the purpose of my journey but it doesn’t seem to be occurring. I think we need enforcement of the measures we have rather than extending the lockdown further.
I'm working as normal (from home) and am very glad of this, I'd far rather that than be furloughed, it is keeping me nicely busy and meaning not much changes in my life overall, really.
I do feel for those working in supermarkets etc who are at higher risk, though - a lot of people are very scared. I do wonder though if there should be an option for those people to choose furlough and someone else who wants to work and e.g. has nobody high risk at home can take the job. Obviously this will only work with jobs requiring only short training, but that's most of retail.
And obviously there are those who hate their job, who now hate it even more...all the reports I'm hearing of surly and unhelpful supermarket staff are coming from Tesco, and only Tesco. I think that tells you something.
There does seem a lot of vigilanteism going on, and vigilanteism is never acceptable - we have a policing and judicial system for a reason. While it does feel a bit Soviet in the circumstances, if you are concerned a crime is being committed the right thing to do is report it to the Police and nothing more. Or maybe have a quick open-minded word first, as you say.
As in not "what are you doing going out in the car so much", but something less accusatory.
As for anger, while we are animals and we all get angry from time to time, I'm getting a bit fed up with it being seen as a virtue (alongside virtue signalling) by some. Anger is a negative emotion and is really best avoided. Personally if I do get properly angry (not that often but it does happen, I am an animal after all) I spend lots of time afterwards reflecting on how it happened and why and how I might avoid it happening again.
https://twitter.com/grandad1975/status/1248247686563631104?s=21
Seen this video doing the rounds last night. In it a SYP Officer tells a family they can’t be in their front garden. No where in any regulations is this the case, and in fact the government have explicitly said you can be on your own property.
SYP completely in the wrong here and have rightly apologised, saying they want their approach to be clear and yet I think the only thing that is clear is that some forces are at serious risk of undermining any goodwill that is necessary for the restrictions to work.
t is not "petty arguments about police" when you see officers doing this sort of thing, it's a disgrace
However people behind twitching net curtains, accusing all and sundry isn't on. Its going to be difficult enough dealing with all the consequences of this without an army of self-appointed judge & juries adding to the problems.
If it's relevant that your colleague has been up that long then it is illegal for them to be driving while over tried. It is as bad as drunk driving but not prosecuted as much.
It has not become an activity for bored people but it has become an activity for all the thousands of gym and swimming pool and team sports users who can no longer do those things. Several I know run some days and cycle the others. Few are taking loopholes. Most are just being extra careful to stay healthy during this health crisis.
And as for the idea they're holding up key workers! Honest! You know what job famously cycles? Nurses! You even call wheel locks "nurse's lock" in this country!
To be clear, I mean that the editors and supporters of the Conservatives newspapers see the opportunity to criticise poor people as a bonus. This government has been surprisingly ecumenical, doing some liberal and some social policies as well.