2020 US Presidential Election

[Scotrail314209]

According to the Associated Press counter on Google, Biden has taken Michigan which means he is sitting on 264 votes to 214 Trump.

News stations seem to be a little bit behind on the numbers, so I'm beginning to doubt what is correct.



Photo shows a map of the United States, with the total number of votes and the party each state has elected.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I'm taking it as a positive sign that he appears to be having a minor meltdown:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324108200141082624

I still don't get after four years why no one has reigned him in on twitter.


More concerning lt I don't understand how he can claim they are stopping democracy while they try prevent votes being counted,and they are lapping it up. Its like some dystopia future.

One thing is for sure in the future historians will look on this period with great interest.

 

[Cowley]

Even if Biden does scrape a victory - I don't think it can be ignored that a huge portion of the US electorate saw what Trump has been upto for the last 4 years and decided "Yep, I want more of that". That I find particularly chilling.

I read your post earlier and it made me think... A little while later I came to the conclusion that although what you said was true, it’s also true to say that a huge amount of extra people came out and said “No. We need to stop this and now.”
Sorry for the hours late reply but I thought it was a point worth mentioning.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

I think there is a very strong ‘Christian’ element to the Republican vote as well, and much of it is due to Roe vs Wade. (As a Christian myself I put the word in speech marks as the right wing conservative nationalist faith in much of the southern states is stretching the concept of Christianity in my opinion.) It is a pity that so many people feel obliged to vote with their conscience on this one issue alone, when from a broader viewpoint the GOP comes with so many other things that are very unChristian, Trump and his cadre making it all the worse. I’ve long thought that if the Democrats would be prepared to at least consider reopening the abortion debate then it would potentially eviscerate Republican support overnight, but it seems this would be crossing a liberal red line.

 

[AM9]

I read your post earlier and it made me think... A little while later I came to the conclusion that although what you said was true, it’s also true to say that a huge amount of extra people came out and said “No. We need to stop this and now.”
Sorry for the hours late reply but I thought it was a point worth mentioning.

Yes, all this talk of Trump getting more votes that in 2016. As a proportion of many more votes cast on both sides, is his share in the popular vote any better than last time?
Biden on the other hand has already received more votes than any other candidate in history.

 

[JonasB]

(As a Christian myself I put the word in speech marks as the right wing conservative nationalist faith in much of the southern states is stretching the concept of Christianity in my opinion.) It is a pity that so many people feel obliged to vote with their conscience on this one issue alone, when from a broader viewpoint the GOP comes with so many other things that are very unChristian, Trump and his cadre making it all the worse.

That is certainly interesting to watch. If they call Biden a socialist, what would they call Jesus?

 

[DarloRich]

Whilst true to some extent, I'm not sure it's "67 million" true. For every person convinced by his simple solutions, there are those who are smart and well educated but willing to turn a blind eye to the last 4 years and all of DJTs actions.

It doesn't matter if most voters don't benefit, they all believe that someday they will. That's the problem with the American Dream, it makes everyone concerned for the day they're gonna be rich

That is certainly interesting to watch. If they call Biden a socialist, what would they call Jesus?

A Marxist. BTW The yanks have no idea what a Socialist or a Marxist actually is.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist" (Hélder Câmara)

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Christianity in its most straightforward form is basically pure socialism without the Marxist class struggle ideology. Hence why I find the nationalist Evangelism in the states so bizarrely alien, as it’s centred on individual wealth accumulation and certainly not ‘love thy neighbour.’

Its bizarre at the moment how different news sources are calling different Biden tallies. BBC currently show him on 243, whereas CNN show him on 258 and incredibly Fox are calling it at 264! Seems to hinge on whether Wisconsin is considered to be a sure result or not. It’s so tight I cant see how it’s called yet.

 

[baz962]

Georgia . Trump's lead down to 39000 votes .

 

[Scotrail314209]

Georgia . Trump's lead down to 39000 votes .

Biden looks to be catching up?

 

[birchesgreen]

There are still some twists in this melodrama to come.

 

[TheEdge]

Either way, this whole affair continues to do no wonders for my view of the US as a third world country propped up a few states giving it a veneer of first world behaviour

This is doing wonders for the claim the US is a third world country with a first world military.

 

[Whistler40145]

In what capacity is the US Presidential election result a fraud?

There's only one thing that's a fraud and that's Donald Trump

 

[Senex]

This is doing wonders for the claim the US is a third world country with a first world military.

If it's come to that, doesn't that put it on the same level as Russia? And two major third-world countries with first-world military establishments is not necessarily very safe for the rest of us.

 

[nlogax]

Biden looks to be catching up?

Georgia gap down to 23,000 and closing. Still 5% of ballots to be counted, many of them from large Dem counties. This particular race will go down to the wire and probably a recount.

 

[37424]

This is doing wonders for the claim the US is a third world country with a first world military.

I've always thought that to be honest and Trump deciding he has already won and trying to stop the count when there are still loads of votes to count more like the actions of a developing country micky mouse regime.

 

[DarloRich]

I've always thought that to be honest and Trump deciding he has already won and trying to stop the count when there are still loads of votes to count more like the actions of a developing country micky mouse regime.

An interesting point - what would be the approach of the press if the populist regime in Kraplackistan was trying to subvert the democratic process in such an overt fashion?

 

[Whistler40145]

Unfortunately the words honesty and Donald Trump don't go together

 

[AM9]

Unfortunately the words honesty and Donald Trump don't go together

Hollywood, (not exactly packed with avid Trumpites), is no doubt gathering facts and mapping out the plots for this chapter in the inevitable Trump story blockbusters.

 

[Cowley]

Hollywood, (not exactly packed with avid Trumpites), is no doubt gathering facts and mapping out the plots for this chapter in the inevitable Trump story blockbusters.

‘The Rock‘ with a wig on to play Trump.

 

[ainsworth74]

If it's come to that, doesn't that put it on the same level as Russia? And two major third-world countries with first-world military establishments is not necessarily very safe for the rest of us.

Sort of. Though Russia is more a third-world country, with a first-world nuclear arsenal backed with a regionally powerful conventional military capability. By which I mean if the United States decided tomorrow to invade and conquer say South Africa then they absolutely could and basically no-one could stop them. Russia could not do the same thing. They can threaten South Africa with nuclear annihilation if they don't surrender but they have no capability of invading and conquering South Africa with conventional forces.

None of which takes away from your wider point, however(!), that this may not be a particularly safe way of running things.

 

[AshBod]

By my maths, if Biden holds Nevada, Arizona and Wisconsin, he has 270 exactly.

270 might not be enough in the sense of previous elections have had faithless electors in the elections trial college. In 2016 Clinton loss 5 votes while Trump lost 2 electors. The 7 electoral college votes went to other candidates such as Bernie Sanders, Colin Powell and Rob Paul.

Imagine if this finishes 270- 268 and 3 electors that were pledged to Biden became faithless.

 

[swt_passenger]

I've always thought that to be honest and Trump deciding he has already won and trying to stop the count when there are still loads of votes to count more like the actions of a developing country micky mouse regime.

Apparently Robert Mugabe has offered to send impartial observers...

(apparently that might no longer be possible )

 

[AM9]

Apparently Robert Mugabe has offered to send impartial observers...

(apparently that might no longer be possible )

No, Lukashenko's the man who knows how to make peace with disgruntled electorates.

 

[edwin_m]

By which I mean if the United States decided tomorrow to invade and conquer say South Africa...

Please don't give him ideas...

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

What has struck me more than ever is that in Donald Trump’s mind (don’t go there), the outcome of the election is entirely disconnected from the actual results of the vote. I know it’s what we already knew, but it really illustrates him as a person, a businessman and a national leader. He‘s a perfect microcosm for the post-truth age, although of course he is a primary architect of it, as well as its product.

 

[Whistler40145]

Donald Trump has got where he is today by taking no for an answer and doing what he likes, whether it is legitimate or not

 

[jfollows]

270 might not be enough in the sense of previous elections have had faithless electors in the elections trial college. In 2016 Clinton loss 5 votes while Trump lost 2 electors. The 7 electoral college votes went to other candidates such as Bernie Sanders, Colin Powell and Rob Paul.

Imagine if this finishes 270- 268 and 3 electors that were pledged to Biden became faithless.

I'd noted that when I was failing to get some numbers to add up - Hawaii (1), Washington (4) and Texas (2) in 2016. I'd hope that they were only "faithless" because it didn't matter and didn't make a difference to the outcome of their collective vote, and that they probably wouldn't do so if that weren't the case now, but there's no guarantee is there?

 

[Darandio]

Donald Trump has got where he is today by taking no for an answer and doing what he likes, whether it is legitimate or not

All the hallmarks of a dictator......

Assuming you meant not taking no for an answer.

 

[nlogax]

Donald Trump has got where he is today by taking no for an answer and doing what he likes, whether it is legitimate or not

He's about to lose Pennsylvania, possibly Georgia, probably Nevada and Arizona and with all that, the entire presidency. Whatever he does now makes little odds. I doubt even the conservative SCOTUS would make a decision in his favour as his lack of any consistent approach across states that are still counting indicates he's just desperate. and flailing.

This afternoon is going to be popcorn viewing.