London to Glasgow Non-Stop

[cambsy]

I think someone form the Rail Performance society will be on both the runs, probably John Heaton,or another experienced member,as then it will be meticulously logged, be interesting to see what it can achieve, from my personal experience of running on the WCML it looks plausible timings.

I have done London to Warrington stop in 98 mins and it has 66 mins Carlisle-Glasgow which slower than the 62 mins record of the Virgin non stop run, i was on the Virgin special non stop run, think we did it in 3hrs 55 mins approx, on the slower railway before the Trent valley upgrade and Rugby upgrade, i have always thought the virgin special could be beaten if the anyone bothered to have another go at it, i think it could be done in about 3hrs 50 mins or less with hard driving and clear run.

 

[Trackman]

I think things like this are kind of pointless unless they are actually going to run such a train in service in future.

It is pointless, why are they doing this?
Ok, let's say a refurbed 390 goes out and has max publicity to launch it, fair enough.
Who is paying for all this if there are no (paying) pax on board?

 

[The Planner]

It is pointless, why are they doing this?
Ok, let's say a refurbed 390 goes out and has max publicity to launch it, fair enough.
Who is paying for all this if there are no (paying) pax on board?

Avanti will be.

 

[Ianno87]

It is pointless, why are they doing this?
Ok, let's say a refurbed 390 goes out and has max publicity to launch it, fair enough.
Who is paying for all this if there are no (paying) pax on board?

Presumably it, essentially, costs nothing:
-You have the train already (that is otherwise sat in the sunshine doing nothing)
-You have the staff (some may be volunteering their time if it's for charity or something)
-The track is there already
-Etc.

 

[jfollows]

No TSRs or conflicts then it should do it without much trouble. I have no doubt the word is out not to put anything in the way.

And nobody forgets to note other minor changes such as 1S52 10:10 Euston-Glasgow being sent SL on departure from Crewe and following 1Z57 from Winsford.

 

[Failed Unit]

Sir beard won’t be happy if the succeed. I recall his attempt was thwarted by an incident in the Lake District. I got a lot of delay repay as a result as the train I was on got held at Carlisle for about 20 mins to ensure it didn’t get in the way. The incident then took us above the 2 hour delay. Sir beards train was slowed by the incident as single line working was implemented but they made sure it was the only train in the area.

 

[Ianno87]

Sir beard won’t be happy if the succeed. I recall his attempt was thwarted by an incident in the Lake District. I got a lot of delay repay as a result as the train I was on got held at Carlisle for about 20 mins to ensure it didn’t get in the way. The incident then took us above the 2 hour delay. Sir beards train was slowed by the incident as single line working was implemented but they made sure it was the only train in the area.

The 2006 attempt was successful (in setting the southbound record)

 

[D6130]

I wonder if they'll allocate the Pride train on this service

Quite possibly, as June is Pride month. Maybe they will select an all LGBT+ crew - as LNER did with an all-female crew for their special run on International Womens' Day. There may well be specially-invited passengers on board.

 

[Kite159]

And nobody forgets to note other minor changes such as 1S52 10:10 Euston-Glasgow being sent SL on departure from Crewe and following 1Z57 from Winsford.

And I think a TPE Glasgow train being held at Carlisle for 15 minutes to allow the nonstop service to pass

 

[Mak1981]

And nobody forgets to note other minor changes such as 1S52 10:10 Euston-Glasgow being sent SL on departure from Crewe and following 1Z57 from Winsford.

Tpe 1s51 also appears to be getting looped at Beattock to allow it to pass

 

[Failed Unit]

The 2006 attempt was successful (in setting the southbound record)

It maybe was. But that was despite the problems.

 

[Watershed]

No TSRs or conflicts then it should do it without much trouble. I have no doubt the word is out not to put anything in the way.

I'm sure it will encounter some TSRs on the summits. They seem permanent fixtures round that way!

 

[Trackman]

Presumably it, essentially, costs nothing:
-You have the train already (that is otherwise sat in the sunshine doing nothing)
-You have the staff (some may be volunteering their time if it's for charity or something)
-The track is there already
-Etc.

Track access billing, plus electric bill?
I suppose with services reduced they might be within the budget given.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Track access billing, plus electric bill?
I suppose with services reduced they might be within the budget given.

Rishi Sunak won't want to fund a railway jolly.
First/Trenitalia will be funding it as a marketing stunt (as Branson did in his day).

 

[Failed Unit]

Track access billing, plus electric bill?
I suppose with services reduced they might be within the budget given.

Sounds like some delay repay compensation for all the other companies trains they need to keep out the way. Sir Beards attempt southbound resulted in compensation paid.

 

[43096]

Quite possibly, as June is Pride month. Maybe they will select an all LGBT+ crew - as LNER did with an all-female crew for their special run on International Womens' Day. There may well be specially-invited passengers on board.

The general view elsewhere from Pendolino drivers seems to be that a 9 car set in boost mode has the best performance. That would rule out the pride set as it’s an 11 car. For record runs you really need the highest performance set with optimal pathing (so from high numbered platform at Euston to go straight to the down fast) etc etc.

 

[greyman42]

Rishi Sunak won't want to fund a railway jolly.

You mean the tax payer.

 

[HSP 2]

Anyone know if this has got a dispensation on speed limits?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

You mean the tax payer.

Perhaps the forum could part crowd fund the run ?!

 

[greyman42]

Perhaps the forum could part crowd fund the run ?!

Seriously, you could of sold tickets to the public at a premium price and it would of funded itself.

 

[Failed Unit]

Seriously, you could of sold tickets to the public at a premium price and it would of funded itself.

Didn’t GNER have HSE issues when they attempted it? Daft things like nothing on the tables? It was a long time ago but where I am going with this is will the view be that members of the public are too risky.

look forward to LNER trying to go sub 3h30.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

You mean the tax payer.

Of course.
He's footing the entire railway operation at the moment with revenue being very low.
TOCs are paid a percentage of costs on top, but I doubt a speed record attempt qualifies.

 

[hexagon789]

Just checking back, and the APT run was in December 1984, and it was 3hr 52min, but with one stop.

It was a total stand because of a signal failure not a booked stop. So the net running time was 3hrs47. More impressive still because you'd have to build speed back up again as well.

 

[Ianno87]

Track access billing, plus electric bill?
I suppose with services reduced they might be within the budget given.

Or Network Rail waive the fees, like they did in 2006.

 

[hexagon789]

look forward to LNER trying to go sub 3h30.

When ECTS is implemented perhaps, no way is NR going to authorise 140 on the 125 sections as per the 3hrs 29min 29 sec record.

 

[Ianno87]

Anyone know if this has got a dispensation on speed limits?

The TASS will prevent overspeeding.

 

[hexagon789]

Anyone know if this has got a dispensation on speed limits?

TASS was active on the last record run, I assume the driver will just not follow the defensive driving policy and will brake as late and hard as possible for all PSRs

 

[Failed Unit]

here is the old thread. apologies. No issue in the Lake District mentioned here so it must be another day. The train I got looped for was 0940 Glasgow - London so it must be one of the first in the new timetable.

Record Breakers - Virgin Trains - West Coast Main Line

Yesterday (Sun 21 Feb 2016) had the fastest run I've seen in a long time, if ever, down the WCML: Warrington to Euston non-stop in 98 minutes (84 minutes between Crewe and Euston). It's exceedingly rare for a Manchester Pendolino to manage Euston to Crewe non-stop in 87 minutes. 86 minutes is...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[LSWR Cavalier]

Great - A pointless stunt that should go down well with the general public!

( yes i am this grumpy)

PS any fule kno records are broken between York and Darlington

How much does the electricity cost, at normal speed or top speed?

There were some disasters or near disasters in the past when trains were run very fast for publicity purposes, could that happen again? I remember a scary account of a speed attempt, only a miracle stopped the train derailing when it took a junction much faster than allowed.

 

[Gloster]

There were some disasters or near disasters in the past when trains were run very fast for publicity purposes, could that happen again? I remember a scary account of a speed attempt, only a miracle stopped the train derailing when it took a junction much faster than allowed.

Was it one of the runs with the LMS Coronations that had to brake violently on the approach to Crewe?