08:04 arr. 08:41
08:09 arr. 08:54½ current timings.
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December 2021 Timetable change
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08:09 arr. 08:54½ current timings.
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Kite159
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Removal of the Southern branded fast service at Haywards Heath might reduce the revenue as passengers could go "we can save money by buying Thameslink only fares to travel to London Bridge/Blackfriars".
Most passengers will look at journey planners, if the first service gets overtaken along the way (ie Brighton to London by getting overtaken at Three Bridges) they could ignore it and go for the faster train.
Most passengers will look at journey planners, if the first service gets overtaken along the way (ie Brighton to London by getting overtaken at Three Bridges) they could ignore it and go for the faster train.
There are hashish services from -Haywards Heath that come from Eastbourne and Littlehampton.
However, they also stop at East Croydon and Clapham Junction.
I hadn't thought about the possibility of passengers from Haywards Heath being put off by not being able to get a train that doesn't stop at Clapham Junction and East Croydon.
Would that be greater than the number of passengers put off at Brighton? Would any modelling be done on this?
Darn the autocorrect typo I didn't notice.
It should have been fastish services, which my autocorrect thinks should be hashish.
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AlbertBeale
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Darn the autocorrect typo I didn't notice.
It should have been fastish services, which nt autocorrect thinks should be hashish.
Remembering my student days in Brighton, I'd say that the autocorrect had it spot on for the Brighton-London line...
Yes, because the faster the train, the more people will travel.
But - the demand from the inland dormitory towns is a significantly higher part of the total at commuting times and (a) they need providing for and (b) they bring in more money than is lost by making the extra stop(s).
The minimum-stop Brighton train has been off-peak only since at least the 1967 timetable rewrite.
bramling
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Exactly the same with Cambridge. Off-peak non-stop trains to/from London since the 1990s, however peak trains tend to have additional calls at Letchworth and Royston (plus briefly the odd case of Ashwell & Morden!). As well as being lucrative, these locations have influential local rail user groups.
Busaholic
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Can you buy a toke-it for it?Is this the service that regularly goes to pot?
Jamesrob637
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Darn the autocorrect typo I didn't notice.
It should have been fastish services, which my autocorrect thinks should be hashish.
Remind me not to buy a second-hand phone off you
Seems like a double voyager made a rare appearance at Liverpool today, unsure why
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Realtime Trains | 1F15 1107 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street | 15/12/2021
Real-time train running information for 1F15 1107 departure from London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street on 15/12/2021. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Well, I was advised by a forum member on here to use Grammarly as it has a spell checker on the Android keyboard. Alas, it doesn't have the ability to remember what you asked it to correct to previously and its initial suggestions sent are good as some other Android keyboard.Remind me not to buy a second-hand phone off you
Can't have it all.
As for fast limited stop trains to London, once upon a time trains didn't stop at Gatwick Airport and ran non-stop from Brighton.
Times change though. So will modelling have been done to show that stopping at Haywards Heath off-peak will reduce passenger numbers overall or revenue overall? It's possible to have fewer passengers and higher revenue and that being considered more important.
Yes, Brighton non stop from Victoria originally, then East Croydon inserted. Clapham Junction followed with the 377s. Then amalgamated with Gatwick Express at which point the Brighton fast stopped only at Gatwick Airport.
The pertinent issue being that it is only possible to run a 'fast' every half hour from Brighton.
jonnyfan
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That is part of the December 2022 timetable consultation.
Blimey, how annoying !
So will they have modelling to show that:
Brighton -> Gatwick Airport -> London Victoria brings in more revenue than Brighton -> East Croydon -> Clapham Junction -> London Victoria or Brighton -> Haywards Heath -> Gatwick Airport -> London Victoria?
Fewer people are travelling from Gatwick Airport currently, so that must be bringing in less revenue. If they weren't then the Southern terminal would be operating.
I thought we'd established there wasn't any journey time improvement?
Back in the 1990s the Brighton fast had a decent path and ran non stop to East Croydon heading up. I remember the first time I went on one it seemed to be doing warp speed compared with the other trains. Flying through Gatwick at 80+ mph was amazing.
This video from 1996 shows one passing in the down direction around the 45 second mark.
Jamesrob637
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What's happened to the Liverpool to Norwich? The 10:50 from Liverpool isn't on RTT at Stockport. I know (if not appreciate) that the 08:50 doesn't run until next year however I thought that was the only gap since Monday.
Some services are coming back from the 3rd Jan not at the timetable change.
Slightly reduced timetable | EMR
New train timetables announced for key routes across East Midlands Railways, including trains from Derby to Crewe on Sundays. See the timetables here.
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You know this raises more questions, right?
Darn the autocorrect typo I didn't notice.
It should have been fastish services, which my autocorrect thinks should be hashish.
dk1
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Some timetables are being reduced again from next week.
dk1
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Just been told our rosters for next week are being delayed (should be posted this afternoon) as due to the current Covid situation services are being reduced from Monday. Not looking like a very merry Christmas except for those traincrew who might get their leave granted rather than declined now depending on how severe the reductions are.
dk1
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Mate I’m GA & don’t even know yet. Email came through a couple of hours ago. Sorry!
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