Precisely that, the timetable they operate to is timed for 315s.Having got the new trains from the East for the past 4 years I was taken aback at how fast they were in the central section, is there any reason why the speed doesn't match on the eastern and western legs? Or will that come in the next stage?
They are no quicker than the 315's that side
It wasn't the dogs I noticed, but the wheelchairs. Given the difficulties there have been retrofittintg accessibility to the Tube network, the new line must be a real boon for people who use them.No, but lots of dogs. It felt like Bring Your Dog to the Elizabeth Line Day
It wasn't the dogs I noticed, but the wheelchairs. Given the difficulties there have been retrofittintg accessibility to the Tube network
AIUI they are significantly slower in the central section than on the surface sections. 62 mph (100 kph) max in the central section, 90 mph max on the surface. Tunnels often make trains seem faster, or maybe they just sound faster?Having got the new trains from the East for the past 4 years I was taken aback at how fast they were in the central section, is there any reason why the speed doesn't match on the eastern and western legs? Or will that come in the next stage?
They are no quicker than the 315's that side
Farringdon is disappointing as there were toilets there before the work started.There is a list on MyLondon which seems to rehash the answer given by the Mayor of London in his April 2020 question time.
Interchange between EL and the Central line at TCR is via the ticket hall, so it's probably quicker to walk from there, depending on your final destination. Or indeed walking to Lancaster Gate!
I think the interchange at Bond Street will be shorter so that would become the solution, one day
I sense that Crossrail is primarily designed as a point to point railway and the huge stations and long walks to and from the platforms are not particularly advantageous for when you need to make connections. Many people may end up sticking to the Tube from Farringdon to Paddington, for example, because the Tube is next to the Thameslink platforms.
Farringdon is disappointing as there were toilets there before the work started.
The speed is most striking. Less than 15 minutes from Canary Wharf to Paddington, there's a real sensation of "are we that far along already". I think i can get to Paddington quicker now than to Tower Gateway on the DLR. It's going to make a real change to distance relationships. Roll on being able to go right through to Heathrow.
No, you can go up from the southbound T/L and over the tracks and down past the northbound T/L all within the gateline. (Within he south side entrance and ticket hall.)(If you don't use the lift, are you supposed to go out of a gateline and across the road and in again to get from T/Link to X/Rail??)
(If you don't use the lift, are you supposed to go out of a gateline and across the road and in again to get from T/Link to X/Rail??)
No, you can go up from the southbound T/L and over the tracks and down past the northbound T/L all within the gateline. (Within he south side entrance and ticket hall.)
I since found a decent cutaway drawing of the Thameslink/Crossrail shared ticket hall, it’s from a few years ago, but I think it’s still correct: https://www.networkrailmediacentre....pital-as-new-farringdon-station-gets-go-aheadThanks - I didn't spot that - I must have a wander round when I'm next at Farringdon. Maybe the signage isn't as clear as it might be - or maybe I just wasn't stopping to read all the signs properly, given that (as a local) I don't tend to do so for journeys in central London, being in the habit of "following my nose" fairly instinctively.
Thanks - I didn't spot that - I must have a wander round when I'm next at Farringdon. Maybe the signage isn't as clear as it might be - or maybe I just wasn't stopping to read all the signs properly, given that (as a local) I don't tend to do so for journeys in central London, being in the habit of "following my nose" fairly instinctively.
Precisely that, the timetable they operate to is timed for 315s.
edit: Will they speed up ahead of combining the routes?
I think you mean the other way round - via the Northern line to the Central line? That would be quicker but they couldn't sign that as an interchange route as it would be too busy. There was originally a planned link to the Dean Street end from the Central line which would have made connections a bit better but that was scrappedIt seems that TCR interchanges aren't at all slick, if you need to go up to the ticket hall and down again between Crossrail and Central Line. And Crossrail to Northern requires you go to the extreme eastern end of the platform, and then some - and then zig-zag though a bit of a maze after that too. Most interesting, and perhaps counter-intuitive since people think of the new line as being very deep through central London, is that you then go down steps to the Northern.
I wonder whether X/Rail to Northern (if you're getting off the west end of the train) might even be quicker via the Central connection (given the ancient and very short link between the two tube lines there if you know the best route).
It will remove a lot of people from the Jubilee and Central lines, once it is fully open - changing at Stratford from the Central line will be quick and easy, obviously depending on your final destination. So it helps people in central London by creating more space on existing lines.So, all in all - useful for getting from out-of-London places into some parts of the centre; but perhaps not the best answer to the need for increased capacity on the Underground? I know people on this website love it because of loving whizzy new railways (and it'll be a bit of an attraction in general while it's new), but I suspect that the number of regular London travellers who find the central section of it makes that much difference to their lives might not be as large as the hype suggests.
Went to try the Lizzie out today, and specifically to check a TL southbound to Lizzie westbound interchange for when we'll be carrying luggage in June. The result, - it took less than 2 1/2 minutes from the doors of the TL train to the platform edge doors on the Lizzie WB. The route, use the lifts at the southern end of the TL SB platform, go to level -6 then out through the transverse passage to the front of the lizzie WB platform. Coming back later, (from the WM Lizzie but would have worked just as easy from the EB) had to go up to the gateline floor, cross the TL tracks below then down onto P4 TL rear, - right place for the decalssified 1st class. Time nearer 4 mins.Thanks - I didn't spot that - I must have a wander round when I'm next at Farringdon. Maybe the signage isn't as clear as it might be - or maybe I just wasn't stopping to read all the signs properly, given that (as a local) I don't tend to do so for journeys in central London, being in the habit of "following my nose" fairly instinctively.
The interchange from XR-Northern is OK provided you position yourself correctly (at the eastern end of the train) and use the unsigned staircase directly down onto the northern end of the Northern line platform. Took me only 2 minutes or so from train to train.It seems that TCR interchanges aren't at all slick, if you need to go up to the ticket hall and down again between Crossrail and Central Line. And Crossrail to Northern requires you go to the extreme eastern end of the platform, and then some - and then zig-zag though a bit of a maze after that too. Most interesting, and perhaps counter-intuitive since people think of the new line as being very deep through central London, is that you then go down steps to the Northern.
I wonder whether X/Rail to Northern (if you're getting off the west end of the train) might even be quicker via the Central connection (given the ancient and very short link between the two tube lines there if you know the best route).
That remionds me of the short dodge against the direction signs to get onto the Central eastbound platform without traipsing halfway down the passage between the two platforms. Ooops, I'm going back to the '60s there.The interchange from XR-Northern is OK provided you position yourself correctly (at the eastern end of the train) and use the unsigned staircase directly down onto the northern end of the Northern line platform. Took me only 2 minutes or so from train to train.
At Farringdon it is actually best to ignore the signs!
I can't find the article I read a few years back which made exactly this point.I sense that Crossrail is primarily designed as a point to point railway and the huge stations and long walks to and from the platforms are not particularly advantageous for when you need to make connections. Many people may end up sticking to the Tube from Farringdon to Paddington, for example, because the Tube is next to the Thameslink platforms.
No, but lots of dogs. It felt like Bring Your Dog to the Elizabeth Line Day
I think you mean the other way round - via the Northern line to the Central line? That would be quicker but they couldn't sign that as an interchange route as it would be too busy. There was originally a planned link to the Dean Street end from the Central line which would have made connections a bit better but that was scrapped
It will remove a lot of people from the Jubilee and Central lines, once it is fully open - changing at Stratford from the Central line will be quick and easy, obviously depending on your final destination. So it helps people in central London by creating more space on existing lines.
The interchange from XR-Northern is OK provided you position yourself correctly (at the eastern end of the train) and use the unsigned staircase directly down onto the northern end of the Northern line platform. Took me only 2 minutes or so from train to train.
That remionds me of the short dodge against the direction signs to get onto the Central eastbound platform without traipsing halfway down the passage between the two platforms. Ooops, I'm going back to the '60s there.
Isn’t that also one of the reasons they swerved Oxford Circus, because interchange or additional entry/exits there would have overwhelmed the existing station. So the idea is that if you want that area you actually use the Hanover Square exit and walk a block or two.I can't find the article I read a few years back which made exactly this point.
The essential point was they wanted to avoid overloading the north-south lines connecting with Crossrail so designed the stations to encourage people to walk the last few hundred yards rather than interchange. Not sure I agree with the idea but that's what I read.
Well, every train eastbound is for Abbey Wood and every train westbound is non-stop to Paddington. If you've just missed one then the maximum wait is 5 minutes.At Tottenham Court Road right now and the platform screens aren’t working, so no idea when the next services are etc - not great!