WMT - Trainee Driver (Talent Pool) - Crewe / Shrewsbury / Leamington Spa (27/12/23)

[Danfilm007]

Thanks I appreciate that mate.

Yeah problem is though I don't fancy travelling 200 miles for them to tell me I don't need to do them haha.

I'm just confused that I've been told I've got to do the whole day again.

My enhanced pass was a year ago so surely I don't have to redo every test, which is what I'm being told.

That is not ideal, I am assuming the assessment centre is further away than your applied for depot? He did explain obviously different enhanced standards are different but I think in the main you only do the ones you need i.e DFFT and anything else

 

[Cuppatea]

Thanks I appreciate that mate.

Yeah problem is though I don't fancy travelling 200 miles for them to tell me I don't need to do them haha.

I'm just confused that I've been told I've got to do the whole day again.

My enhanced pass was a year ago so surely I don't have to redo every test, which is what I'm being told.

My reason for not continuing with WMT. especially when I’ve been told a pass still counts as a life lost and I need to resit it all again. Felt like messing with what I have already is unnecessary.

 

[Termak]

My reason for not continuing with WMT. especially when I’ve been told a pass still counts as a life lost and I need to resit it all again. Felt like messing with what I have already is unnecessary.

That was clarified, a pass does not count as a life. You only lose a life when you fail, so you still have your 2 lives.

 

[TacoTraveller]

My reason for not continuing with WMT. especially when I’ve been told a pass still counts as a life lost and I need to resit it all again. Felt like messing with what I have already is unnecessary.

A pass cannot and does not count as a life lost, if you passed but it isn't up to their standard it's not a life lost you just redo the test.

Only fails count as a life lost.

I don't know what's happening with my application but people have done part 1 and are setting up for part 2 but I'm still sat twiddling my thumbs waiting for a reply after recieving I'd passed the video interview

 

[Cuppatea]

A pass cannot and does not count as a life lost, if you passed but it isn't up to their standard it's not a life lost you just redo the test.

Only fails count as a life lost.

I don't know what's happening with my application but people have done part 1 and are setting up for part 2 but I'm still sat twiddling my thumbs waiting for a reply after recieving I'd passed the video interview

I get it but that’s what I’ve been informed by WMT recruitment. Black and white in an email.

That was clarified, a pass does not count as a life. You only lose a life when you fail, so you still have your 2 lives.

I know this but WMT recruitment stated that and I double checked with them.

 

[chalkijr]

That is not ideal, I am assuming the assessment centre is further away than your applied for depot? He did explain obviously different enhanced standards are different but I think in the main you only do the ones you need i.e DFFT and anything else

Yeah my depot is close to where I live, but the test centre is about 200 miles away.

I'm getting the same impression from the communication I've received from WMT too, regards attending the test centre pass or fail counts as a life.

It's just so frustrating not knowing what you have and haven't passed to their standard. Like it's being implied I need to do the whole day, but there's no way I've passed to enhanced with an foc and not passed to enhanced at least one test with them.

Maybe it's just another way of whittling us all down to those willing to take the risk.

 

[TacoTraveller]

I get it but that’s what I’ve been informed by WMT recruitment. Black and white in an email.


I know this but WMT recruitment stated that and I double checked with them.

I get it's black and white, but that's also why the OPC are checking scores on the day as some have said gone into it thinking they need to redo all the tests and it's just DFFT.

Probably a strange way of seeing who's willing to take the "risk" even though you cant lose an OPC test life without a fail, but some people will just keep what they've got.

 

[chalkijr]

I get it's black and white, but that's also why the OPC are checking scores on the day as some have said gone into it thinking they need to redo all the tests and it's just DFFT.

Probably a strange way of seeing who's willing to take the "risk" even though you cant lose an OPC test life without a fail, but some people will just keep what they've got.

True but people who are already in talent pools for another toc or foc would be jeopardising their results for WMT which of course isn't their problem.

But it definitely shows if you are willing to do it, then you must really want to work for them, rather than it just being about the drivers job

 

[TacoTraveller]

True but people who are already in talent pools for another toc or foc would be jeopardising their results for WMT which of course isn't their problem.

But it definitely shows if you are willing to do it, then you must really want to work for them, rather than it just being about the drivers job

I could be wrong, but seems the be the way they're doing it.

If you're in a talent pool and you risk it then sure, I know a guy who was in one and then failed a test for another TOC, it does happen.

But that's the risk you take, it's your choice if it's worth it or not

True but people who are already in talent pools for another toc or foc would be jeopardising their results for WMT which of course isn't their problem.

But it definitely shows if you are willing to do it, then you must really want to work for them, rather than it just being about the drivers job

I could be wrong, but seems the be the way they're doing it.

If you're in a talent pool and you risk it then sure, I know a guy who was in one and then failed a test for another TOC, it does happen.

But that's the risk you take, it's your choice if it's worth it or not

 

[chalkijr]

Yeah exactly you have to weigh up if the risk is worth it, I totally agree. And I suppose this is what I'm now struggling with.

So here's a question- what happens if you book on to an assessment day but you can't go on the day or something else more important arises, or simply you change your mind. What implications would that have on you if you've already passed the tests?

Would it be simply nothing as you've not sat the tests so no fail and no life lost? Or would it wipe your other scores and count as a life lost?

 

[Termak]

Yeah exactly you have to weigh up if the risk is worth it, I totally agree. And I suppose this is what I'm now struggling with.

So here's a question- what happens if you book on to an assessment day but you can't go on the day or something else more important arises, or simply you change your mind. What implications would that have on you if you've already passed the tests?

Would it be simply nothing as you've not sat the tests so no fail and no life lost? Or would it wipe your other scores and count as a life lost?

I don’t think it affects your previous as you did not take the test.

Just received an invite to stage 2 as well. I’m not going to stress myself, will go and make my decision on the day, if I’m required to retake any.

 

[TacoTraveller]

Yeah exactly you have to weigh up if the risk is worth it, I totally agree. And I suppose this is what I'm now struggling with.

So here's a question- what happens if you book on to an assessment day but you can't go on the day or something else more important arises, or simply you change your mind. What implications would that have on you if you've already passed the tests?

Would it be simply nothing as you've not sat the tests so no fail and no life lost? Or would it wipe your other scores and count as a life lost?

Nothing I'd assume, as I said you can only lose a life of you fail a test.

But if you don't turn up for an arranged test day and can't go, I'd assume they wouldn't work too hard to book you back on, or could just reject your application from there.

It's hard to say as every TOC I'd imagine would do it differently

 

[chalkijr]

I don’t think it affects your previous as you did not take the test.

Just received an invite to stage 2 as well. I’m not going to stress myself, will go and make my decision on the day, if I’m required to retake any.

Nothing I'd assume, as I said you can only lose a life of you fail a test.

But if you don't turn up for an arranged test day and can't go, I'd assume they wouldn't work too hard to book you back on, or could just reject your application from there.

It's hard to say as every TOC I'd imagine would do it differently

So can you decide there and then at the test centre? They inform you that you have to resit 1 or all tests can you decide there and then whether it's worth it or not?

I suppose I'm just trying to see at what point it's too deep to get out if you don't want to go ahead.

I suppose if you don't start a test they can't mark you down on it, but I just wasn't sure if they'd still penalise you in any way

 

[Danfilm007]

So can you decide there and then at the test centre? They inform you that you have to resit 1 or all tests can you decide there and then whether it's worth it or not?

I suppose I'm just trying to see at what point it's too deep to get out if you don't want to go ahead.

I suppose if you don't start a test they can't mark you down on it, but I just wasn't sure if they'd still penalise you in any way

I believe you can.

 

[baz962]

So can you decide there and then at the test centre? They inform you that you have to resit 1 or all tests can you decide there and then whether it's worth it or not?

I suppose I'm just trying to see at what point it's too deep to get out if you don't want to go ahead.

I suppose if you don't start a test they can't mark you down on it, but I just wasn't sure if they'd still penalise you in any way

You can decide on the day. When I was on a day for London Overground there was a lad who had started with Thameslink. OPC told him he risked losing his passes and his Thameslink job and he had already started as a trainee and was in his uniform . He decided to leave and stay at Thameslink.

 

[gazgareth]

Is anyone that is still waiting to hear back from the video interview a first time applicant like me? Just wondering if it is because I haven't done any of the tests etc before they are working through those first?

 

[TacoTraveller]

So can you decide there and then at the test centre? They inform you that you have to resit 1 or all tests can you decide there and then whether it's worth it or not?

I suppose I'm just trying to see at what point it's too deep to get out if you don't want to go ahead.

I suppose if you don't start a test they can't mark you down on it, but I just wasn't sure if they'd still penalise you in any way

You can go as far and refuse it so long as you don't actually start doing the test, obviously attending the assessment then leaving isn't much difference than just not turning up for it.

But the decision is up to you, if you don't want to risk the passes you've already got, just retract your application.

Keep in mind though that every TOC can do this, so unless it's the exact same toc/focus you passed your assessments with then any toc can make you resit tests etc just like you're experiencing with WMT

Is anyone that is still waiting to hear back from the video interview a first time applicant like me? Just wondering if it is because I haven't done any of the tests etc before they are working through those first?

I'm still waiting too

 

[gazgareth]

You can go as far and refuse it so long as you don't actually start doing the test, obviously attending the assessment then leaving isn't much difference than just not turning up for it.

But the decision is up to you, if you don't want to risk the passes you've already got, just retract your application.

Keep in mind though that every TOC can do this, so unless it's the exact same toc/focus you passed your assessments with then any toc can make you resit tests etc just like you're experiencing with WMT


I'm still waiting too

I haven't even heard if I passed the video interview though.

 

[TacoTraveller]

I haven't even heard if I passed the video interview though.

I got the successful video interview email and nothing since ‍♂️ might just have a lot going on who knows

 

[chalkijr]

I haven't even heard if I passed the video interview

Strange, maybe they are just prioritising by depot eight now.

As far as I can see its just the one woman in recruitment that's reached out to people at the moment.

I got the successful video interview email and nothing since ‍♂️ might just have a lot going on who knows

Well done on the successful email, at least you know you're through to next stage at least!

 

[Salopspur61]

I haven't even heard if I passed the video interview though.

Gareth, I'm still waiting, did my interview on 22nd Jan. Nothing heard since. Coming from non rail background so assuming they are prioritising different groups

 

[Brad1997]

Gareth, I'm still waiting, did my interview on 22nd Jan. Nothing heard since. Coming from non rail background so assuming they are prioritising different groups

I'm railway and completed my interview on 18/01 and received successful email on 22/01. Haven't heard anything since, however know of some people at my company who have already been asked to complete stage 1. My only guess is they're prioritising people who have already completed parts of the test and going in order by date of completed interview.

 

[chalkijr]

For those that have been invited to stage 2 testing, can I ask how was your email worded regards the tests youll be sitting? Is it refferering to one computer test system or are they all listed separately?

I was thinking the Vienna test was literally one of the tests but I think its all the computer tests isn't it not just one?

 

[Termak]

For those that have been invited to stage 2 testing, can I ask how was your email worded regards the tests youll be sitting? Is it refferering to one computer test system or are they all listed separately?

I was thinking the Vienna test was literally one of the tests but I think its all the computer tests isn't it not just one?

Mine just says second stage stage of assessments, no mention of individual tests.

 

[chalkijr]

Mine just says second stage stage of assessments, no mention of individual tests.

So it didnt outline what you will be doing for the day and when to arrive etc?

I've cropped the part I'm on about specifically from my email.

 

[Termak]

So it didnt outline what you will be doing for the day and when to arrive etc?

I've cropped the part I'm on about specifically from my email.

Oh, I see what you mean, my bad. Yeah, I think the Vienna system is the one with colours and sounds. The hand and eye coordination test.

I might be wrong, but it might be the one. Hopefully someone who has done recently will shed some light.

 

[Samzino]

Vienna Test System Computer Tests

Above is my brief breakdown for each Vienna test aswell as an image of the actual device. The Vienna test system is just the official name for the suite of computer tests.

Oh, I see what you mean, my bad. Yeah, I think the Vienna system is the one with colours and sounds. The hand and eye coordination test.

I might be wrong, but it might be the one. Hopefully someone who has done recently will shed some light.

 

[walfo]

So it didnt outline what you will be doing for the day and when to arrive etc?

I've cropped the part I'm on about specifically from my email.

I received the same mail and booked onto one of the assessment days. They don't give a lot of notice so had to juggle a few things around.

Vienna Test System Computer Tests

Above is my brief breakdown for each Vienna test aswell as an image of the actual device. The Vienna test system is just the official name for the suite of computer tests.

Very informative, thank you.

 

[chalkijr]

Oh, I see what you mean, my bad. Yeah, I think the Vienna system is the one with colours and sounds. The hand and eye coordination test.

I might be wrong, but it might be the one. Hopefully someone who has done recently will shed some light.

I'm not sure about this one, it wasn't included when I did the stage 2 assessments last year.

Vienna Test System Computer Tests

Above is my brief breakdown for each Vienna test aswell as an image of the actual device. The Vienna test system is just the official name for the suite of computer tests.

This breakdown however, looks exactly like the tests I did.

I'm just wondering if there is another test. Has anyone here already took the assessments with WMT who can confirm?

 

[Termak]

I'm not sure about this one, it wasn't included when I did the stage 2 assessments last year.

This breakdown however, looks exactly like the tests I did.

I'm just wondering if there is another test. Has anyone here already took the assessments with WMT who can confirm?

Ah nice one, thanks.