Are music standards declining?

[starrymarkb]

Studioforce you mean, they can't perform live...

That was why I didn't mention them They are usually too drunk live - it's a shame when this happens - Opeth used to be amazing live, then the third time I saw them they were clearly drunk/high and were fluffing left right and centre... They were blown away by the support act (Paradise Lost)
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I suppose half their music is computers and sound effects....:roll:

No - but they do suck live. Studio lets them mix, overdub and re-take... (not new techiques, Queen used them heavily on Boheimian Rhapsody), they just can't do live

 

[sprinterguy]

lol listen to five minutes of dragonforce and that'll remove any concept of music being 'easy'

As others have said, Dragonforce aren't the best example of the technical side of metal: Their "magic" only really works in the studio where they can overdub and re-record everything, and as my brother has proven to me (he's an ace guitarist) their rapidly repeating shred patterns are actually fairly easy to pull off so long as you can move your fingers fast enough over a few short sequences.

For true "technical ecstasy" in the world of rock and metal, check out the likes of Jeff Loomis from Nevermore, John Petrucci of Dream Theatre or Paul Gilbert.
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That was why I didn't mention them They are usually too drunk live - it's a shame when this happens - Opeth used to be amazing live, then the third time I saw them they were clearly drunk/high and were fluffing left right and centre... They were blown away by the support act (Paradise Lost)

P1ssed-up metal bands are what it's all about: I'm gutted that I'm too young to have seen Motley Crue in their eighties heyday, and can now only experience the "sensible" 'Crue of today (But hey, that's what Steel Panther is there for! ) I tend to follow a rule of thumb that as long as I'm drunker than the band I'm going to see are likely to be (Which can involve careful consideration of the nature of the band you are about to watch, their published views on drinking before or during a show and their general habits, but usually for me simply involves grabbing as much cider and Jager beforehand as possible, just to be on the safe side ), then all will be well.

Though to be sensible for a moment, I do see where you are coming from. Opeth are usually killer live, so to see a band as talented as they are as individuals and as a group waste that talent by being too drunk to put on a proper show for the assembled masses who have purposely come to see them is a shame. And Paradise Lost are absolutely phenomenal.

 

[DavidBusDriver]

And no-one has mentioned the Stereophonics, still going and always producing some new stuff, followed them since the first album, seen them live a fair few times and they've never disappointed!

My iTunes library is so varied though, I will listen to anything, but its the stuff I will listen to again and again that means most to me!

Mumford & Sons, bloody excellent, Muse, first album was amazing and oft-forgotten! Foo Fighters, can't go wrong with them at all, Franz Ferdinand, Fratellis..

Give me guitar music any day, with a great singer leading, and a great band behind them, all working together to produce the song, not just 'singer supported by whoever they could find at the time...'

 

[blackettstreet]

this would be a lot easier if we could all seee each others' Spotify or iTunes playlists or something

 

[SS4]

this would be a lot easier if we could all seee each others' Spotify or iTunes playlists or something

My last fm profile is in my signature (much easier than trying to copy my playlist from Clementine!)

I am forced to listen to radio 1 on placement and apart from one or two songs they're all the same and I swear I hear half the songs over a dozen times during the day anyway. I can't wait to leave and blast out some heavy metal!


If you want to see drunken stage antics then try Airbourne, they drink Jack Daniel's like water

 

[sprinterguy]

If you want to see drunken stage antics then try Airbourne, they drink Jack Daniel's like water

They do indeed. Airbourne are fun

 

[350232]

So what do [removed] you listen to then?

Proper music. Nowadays, it's all iPod rubbish for people who can't tell polyphony from homophony.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Proper music. Nowadays, it's all iPod rubbish for people who can't tell polyphony from homophony.

What do you define by "proper" music?

 

[350232]

None of this R & B stuff for once. Tell me, ralphchadkirk, how do you consider that 'proper music'?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

None of this R & B stuff for once. Tell me, raphchadkirk, how do you consider that 'real music'?

Can you not answer a question?! Name a few artists that you listen to!

 

[350232]

Do you not know what an answer is? I listen to The Killers, Keane, Madonna. They are artist s who are aimed at a more educated audience, ie people over 30.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Do you not know what an answer is? I listen to The Killers, Keane, Madonna. They are artist s who are aimed at a more educated audience, ie people over 30.

Finally you've actually answered the question!

I find it hard to believe that Madonna is for an educated audience, when this is an example of her lyrics:

Some boys kiss me, some boys hug me
I think they're okay

 

[350232]

Finally you've actually answered the question!

I find it hard to believe that Madonna is for an educated audience, when this is an example of her lyrics:

But it's better than some of the stuff people like Rihanna spout.

Must I remind you that the youth of today is the worst in terms of intelligence ever? The last thing they need is to listen to lines like:

'under my umbrella-ella-ella-yeah-yeah-yeah'.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

But it's better than some of the stuff people like Rihanna spout.

Must I remind you that the youth of today is the worst in terms of intelligence ever? The last thing they need is to listen to lines like:

'under my umbrella-ella-ella-yeah-yeah-yeah'.

So? I never said today's music was intelligent. Or are you just getting angry at nothing? I was only pointing out that if you listen to Madonna, you can hardly be criticising others for listen to unintelligent music!

Must I remind you that the youth of today is the worst in terms of intelligence ever?

I'd love to see some figures for that. To make it easier for you, I will only want the figures from the year 1800 onwards, as I wouldn't want to overstretch you by getting them for since the Big Bang. Of course, you could just be making that up?

 

[350232]

So you're admitting that Madonna is synonymous with 'unintelligence'? Horses for courses, Mr Chadkirk.

I'm not making it up, it comes from years of being a bus driver and seeing the amount of yobs come on and off the bus.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

So you're admitting that Madonna is synonymous with 'unintelligence'? Horses for courses, Mr Chadkirk.

Why would I be admitting anything? You said that Madonna was aimed at the intelligent over-30's. I have proved you wrong.

Anyway, have you got some facts to prove the statement that todays youth are the most unintelligent ever?

 

[starrymarkb]

Umbrella isn't that bad for a song...

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[350232]

Why would I be admitting anything? You said that Madonna was aimed at the intelligent over-30's. I have proved you wrong.

Anyway, have you got some facts to prove the statement that todays youth are the most unintelligent ever?

You have proved nothing, apart from you see Madonna as not being aimed at over-30s.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

You have proved nothing, apart from you see Madonna as not being aimed at over-30s.

Have you got those facts yet? How about from the year 1900 onwards? I'm taking off a century to be nice to you. Or you could admit you made it up?

 

[350232]

Have you got those facts yet? How about from the year 1900 onwards? I'm taking off a century to be nice to you. Or you could admit you made it up?

I drive buses round where I live and the number of drunken students who board speaks for itself. The youth generation of today is uninteillgent, drunk and full of no-hopers.

 

[90019]

The youth generation of today is uninteillgent, drunk and full of no-hopers.

In the same way all bus drivers are thick, bigoted, rude and inconsiderate drivers.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I drive buses round where I live and the number of drunken students who board speaks for itself. The youth generation of today is uninteillgent, drunk and full of no-hopers.

So you based it on your own bigoted world rather than actual statistics?

If we look at real statistics, we see that A-Level pass rates have risen steadily for 29 years running, which does contradict your own little view.

Of course, it's far easier to then whine that exams are getting easier rather than admitting you're wrong.

 

[350232]

Pity that whine is shared by a vast majority of people. A lot more than a whine, hmm?

Back to music, and I think it's great Madonna is promoting children's suffering in Africa. She is a pioneer.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Pity that whine is shared by a vast majority of people. A lot more than a whine, hmm?

Doesn't make it right. The statistics speak for themselves. You can ignore them if you wish, but it will only make you look like someone who would prefer to jump on the opinions bandwagon rather than do some research and come up with there own.

Back to music, and I think it's great Madonna is promoting children's suffering in Africa. She is a pioneer.

Many celebrities do, mainly for the PR. It doesn't make them, their music, or their fans any cleverer though.

 

[350232]

I didn't say it did. I said it made them a pioneer. It really outraged me when people said it was wrong for her to adopt that child a couple of years ago. She was raising awareness of the poverty in Africa. Everyone in the music world, those that still have a brain, should follow her example instead of flouting their 'bling' (as the students would call it) to their fans.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Back to music, and I think it's great Madonna is promoting children's suffering in Africa. She is a pioneer.

If she cared that much, she'd build an orphanage to help millions, not just cherry pick a couple who would look good to adopt as a publicity stunt.

 

[90019]

A lot more than a whine, hmm?

Indeed, it makes it into a loud whine.

I'd like to see you resit the current equivalent of the highest level of external exams you passed when you were younger (at least GCSE level or above).
Then, and only then, can you say they're getting easier.

 

[350232]

If she cared that much, she'd build an orphanage to help millions, not just cherry pick a couple who would look good to adopt as a publicity stunt.

Supposition, posted by someone more eager to jump on the bandwagon rather than listen to the facts...

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Supposition, posted by someone more eager to jump on the bandwagon rather than listen to the facts...

No, it's true. It is nothing more than a PR stunt. What they do is interrupt the valuable work of aid agencies, and draw the attention away from the actual problems. If she did care, then she would either donate to an aid agency who know who to deal with these situations, or build an orphanage that can help a lot more than the lucky 1 or 2.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Supposition, posted by someone more eager to jump on the bandwagon rather than listen to the facts...

Please shut up.

OK.

Madonna: Goes to Africa, adopts a kid, makes people aware (supposedly) of the problems out there, even though they are well documented elsewhere.
Eric Clapton: Sets up a drugs charity in Jamaica (I think) to help those who need it in a country where drugs are rife and help is scarce. Doesn't make a massive PR stunt of it and helps thousands, not one or two kids... Who looks better from that?