Pairs of people probably find the coach or the car a better value option.
Intrestingly the rail minister is unaware of this new railcard
I would expect the average "man in the street" would place a simple enough interpretation on the phrase "live in one of the named postcodes" . There is no dubiety you either do or you dont....When you sign up to the terms and conditions they don't say if the card becomes invalid if you move to a home with a postcode on the other side of the boundary line. I was behind a Mature student at a train station once they asked if their 16-25 card was still valid now they had finished the course, the answer given was yes it is still valid up until the expiry despite them no longer meeting the conditions of first issue.
I can see people turning up at rail stations with the card saying I am the named primary card holder but no longer live in the area but the secondary card holder does live in the area do I need to have the pictures changed around or is the card still valid. Doubt station staff will be able to give an answer.
An RPI has to check the tickets are valid, the card is present, the correct number of people are present, they match the people pictured on the card. Now you think RPI will be expected to start quizzing people on where they have lived since obtaining the card. What happens if the primary card holder says when they obtained the card the were renting a room in Birmingham after the wife had chucked them out or was living with parents but now have moved to Manchester. It's hard to find out this is against the terms and conditions and a court would want everything in black and white. The RPI will need to prove that they were not renting that room at the time they took out the railcard and obtained the card fraudulently. The police don't have a magic computer that knows who is co-habituating with who or who is lodging with anyone renting out a room at any time. The police release a lot of people on bail with no real idea of if the address they have given is correct, they have to accept what is given and if they don't turn up in court on the required day there is a lot of door knocking at 3 in the morning to get the current location of someone....
That still incurs extra costs, which would need to be budgeted for. One of the aims of the trial is to assess demand, much easier to do if you restrict the initial sales area.But they could have allowed it to be issued online to any address whilst still only sending the card stock to the limited number of stations.
Why don't you just travel on Child tickets then? That's an arbitary restriction based on age.For starters, I'm not doing it. I mostly travel with my missus and we both have 16-25 railcards so it's not of any use.
Secondly, I don't pretend to represent anybody but myself.
Thirdly, I don't see what's so unethical about purchasing a product for the price requested ignoring one fairly arbitrary restriction.
I mostly travel with my missus and we both have 16-25 railcards so it's not of any use.
Why don't you just travel on Child tickets then? That's an arbitary restriction based on age.
I fancy applying for a Senior Railcard. Anyone got a birth certificate I can borrow? :roll:
When ATOC's involved no ethics is still more than they've got.
http://www.twotogether-railcard.co.uk/what-do-you-get/featuresYour Two Together Railcard will save you 1/3 off all Standard and First Class Anytime, Off Peak and Advance fares across the National Rail network.
Why don't you just travel on Child tickets then? That's an arbitary restriction based on age.
I fancy applying for a Senior Railcard. Anyone got a birth certificate I can borrow? :roll:
The age thresholds are entirely arbitrary. Why is the age limit 16? Why do YP railcards cover people to the age of 25? Why is the Senior Railcard 60 and not 65?Giving half fare child tickets isn't arbitrary, the reason behind it is to make it affordable for themselves/parents to buy the tickets, it is a standard public transport practice.
A Senior Railcard is a discount to encourage over 60's to use trains, usage decreases in this age group. Nothing arbitrary, about that.
What Old Timer said. Enjoy justifying your decision 'because everyone else does it'. Just ignore the last line of the T&Cs:Like I've said, if you can tell me you haven't knowingly broken a rule and felt fine about it I'd be sure you were lying.
Suddenly because we're talking about the railways we're under this bizarre compulsion to follow arbitrary restrictions without question at all times.
Arbitrary on whose definition ? Yours ?Some rules are made to be broken.
That I am of that opinion does not mean that I think all rules are meant to be broken, and I find it slightly offensive that you've tarred me with the brush of people illegitimately using Disabled Parking Spaces.
Lie to me, and tell me you've never knowingly broken an arbitrary rule/condition. Go ahead.
By buying a ticket or procuring a Railcard you legally agree to be bound by those conditions....Suddenly because we're talking about the railways we're under this bizarre compulsion to follow arbitrary restrictions without question at all times.
How can you say that 16 is an arbitrary age - it's the compulsory school leaving age!!The age thresholds are entirely arbitrary. Why is the age limit 16? Why do YP railcards cover people to the age of 25? Why is the Senior Railcard 60 and not 65?
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What Old Timer said. Enjoy justifying your decision 'because everyone else does it'. Just ignore the last line of the T&Cs:
"Fraudulent use of the Railcards and Railcard discounted tickets may lead to criminal prosecution."
You've read the first line of my post and ignored the rest.Arbitrary on whose definition ? Yours ?
And what places you above all others to decide what rule/law is to be followed and what is to be ignored By what divine right have you been appointed ?
As for finding it offensive to suggest you park in disablked spaces, frankly you strike me as precisely the type of person to do so, after all you say yourself "some rules are made to be broken" aren/t they ?
The attitude and disdain displayed here to terms and conditions of the Railcard and the responses to comparisons are typical of the sort of response - when there is an intelligible response - from someone parking in a pick up or other restricted area/parking bay.
We meet people such as you everyday who think that they are beyond the rules that apply to the rest of us, whether on the road, in car parks, in shops, on the street.
The various thieves who rioted, and used the riots as an excuse to thieve, had similar defences to yours.
By buying a ticket or procuring a Railcard you legally agree to be bound by those conditions.
No-one is forcing you to use the Railways, no-one is holding a gun to your head demanding you buy a ticket.
If you do not like the conditions you are free to use numerous other forms of transport.
Anyway furtherance of this debate is pointless we do not live in a totalitarian society so there are few to stop you doing as you wish, but just remember once we all start ignoring the rules that we dont like, then anarchy ultimately rules.
Using your belief system, maybe I shall start parking in child spaces as I do not see why they should get special dispensation to me, after all I probably spend more than they do
Google? Now I know you're joking.I think you should do a Google definition on the term arbitrary.
What I can say with a great degree of certainty is that nobody lives their life observing every rule and condition they are supposed to, and on that basis I don't see why you're so inclined to argue as though you're that mythical perfect person.
You really do not get it at all do you :roll: :roll:Ordering a Railcard ignoring one arbitrary restriction which is not fundamental to the spirit of the card is not a comparable act, and I find such a comparison offensive.
What I can say with a great degree of certainty is that nobody lives their life observing every rule and condition they are supposed to, and on that basis I don't see why you're so inclined to argue as though you're that mythical perfect person.
Out of interest, did anybody ever receive an official response from the ASA regarding that 'quotation' which used to be on the Two Together website?