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Puffing Devil

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Just so long as it clears up for tomorrow - I'll be getting wet otherwise!

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Just tuned in for TMS and looks like we're good to go. Forecast is rain at 6pm until 9am.
 
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That isn't good three people out with 14 runs between them excluding those still in!

184 all out as well!
 
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being signed off sick meant I could listen to an entire day of TMS. Thanks England for making me feel even worse. We really cant bat in a test environment. Far too many wafty drives, no application, poor footwork, shocking decision making and a complete lack of discipline. Poor.
 
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Only once have England made a lower first innings test score at Lord's when batting first after winning the toss, and that was in 1955. Almost the only bright spot for England was Alastair Cook's innings.
 
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I’m not one, usually, to call for change at the top, but Root hasn’t batted well since he has been captain, save for Lords against SA last year. I think we need a new captain (Anderson? Stokes?) and let him get back to batting.
 
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This test match may well be over today - Pakistan should declare and get England in. I would have given them 30 minutes to face last night
 
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Pakistan have declared on 363 for 9, and I've just tuned into TMS to hear Cook out lbw to Cook getting out LBW to take England to 1 for 1 after 11 balls!
 
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I had the "pleasure" of being at Lord's yesterday...... Pakistan know how to play a test match, something England seem to have forgotten with the emphasis on one day and T20 (and the 100 ball competition). Test cricket is a gentle jog, not wafting at every ball, nor resetting the field after every ball. I'm not surprised with the declaration - they stand a good chance of getting us out today. I pity those with tickets for tomorrow - they may see some cricket, though likely none at all as Pakistan win by an innings.
 
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Presumably if there's no cricket they wil be refunded in full (for the ticket anyway, not other costs. One over, however... (as if it will. make it that far)

You make a good point on test cricket now. We have no chance in the ashes especially if this continues!
 
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The test match is moving on rapidly, England 111-6 at tea. I do hope that Root does not say that he will 'take the positives' out of this match if (when) Pakistan complete a deserved victory today, as far as I can see there haven't been any.
 
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According to TMS this will be the first time England have lost at Lords in three days since there were three day tests, if they lose today!
 
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Arglwydd Golau said:
The test match is moving on rapidly, England 111-6 at tea. I do hope that Root does not say that he will 'take the positives' out of this match if (when) Pakistan complete a deserved victory today, as far as I can see there haven't been any.
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there are positives - we now positively know we need more first class cricket with the Test players playing in it instead of 20/16.4 and reducing the Championship season. And what good do these central contracts do? If a player's rubbish and on a CC and dropped, does he still get paid as per contract??
 
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Arglwydd Golau said:
The test match is moving on rapidly, England 111-6 at tea. I do hope that Root does not say that he will 'take the positives' out of this match if (when) Pakistan complete a deserved victory today, as far as I can see there haven't been any.
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There have been none. Root's team have been dire. They look smug, complacent, ill prepared, under skilled, brainless, talent-less, formless, clueless and a disgrace. I also think they under estimated a disciplined and determined Pakistan team who have prepared for this series very well indeed.

Today is a fine day for batting but the England players simply throw wickets away with stupid shots. They have no patience and no real plan other than to try and whack each opposition bowler out of the attack like a 20/20 game. Attacking play is fine but you have to earn the right to do that and when conditions don't allow you shut up shop and make the opposition grind you out. The obsession with limited overs cricket is why we are in such a state. I understand why with a one of chance to win a home world cup coming up next year but they are separate disciplines and require different players and a different mentality. Until that is fixed we will far too often find ourselves at 100-5.

Turning to the side:

Cook - OK but wont go on forever and recent form has dipped.
Stoneman - Gone. But they wont pull the trigger before the next test we we are one down before the first ball.
Root - Best player but in shocking nick. Weighed down by captaincy and dross? move to 4? .
Malan - Gone. Please. Never rated him. He has had enough chances
Bairstow - not sure. Has the skill but seems to lack application and brain.
Stokes - Simply hasn't played enough red ball cricket - well out of nick with both bat and ball.
Buttler - No idea what he brings to a test side. Has had chance after chance. Only place, surely, is with the gloves.
Bess - Debutante. No criticism. Bring more kids in
Wood - Played OK with ball but we need to fall back on line and length when plan A doesn't work. Lacked rhythm and seemed to be told to bang it in short all the time
Broad - Played OK with ball but we need to fall back on line and length when plan A doesn't work. Lacked rhythm
Anderson - Played OK with ball but we need to fall back on line and length when plan A doesn't work. Lacked rhythm

PS Skip - don't bat on a cloudy swinging morning ffs!
 
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Howardh said:
there are positives - we now positively know we need more first class cricket with the Test players playing in it instead of 20/16.4 and reducing the Championship season. And what good do these central contracts do? If a player's rubbish and on a CC and dropped, does he still get paid as per contract??
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Unfortunately those are not the sort of positives that Root is likely to trot out in front of the media! never mind, I'm sure that in the eyes of Colin Graves and the ECB the 100 ball thing will produce the next generation of test match cricketers....of course, by then the CC will probably only be played in April and September
 
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A Challenge said:
Presumably if there's no cricket they wil be refunded in full (for the ticket anyway, not other costs. One over, however... (as if it will. make it that far)

You make a good point on test cricket now. We have no chance in the ashes especially if this continues!
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I attended the first ever Sunday test match at Lord's, which, iirc, was also against Pakistan. We saw one over's play, in which the two England tailend batsmen neither scored a run nor lost a wicket: one of them was Robin Jackman. Not a penny refund came my way!
 
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it appears Buttler appears to be in the side to show the others how to apply themselves....................
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Yes....he's now justified his selection. Luckily Bess is staying with him otherwise Buttler might now be stranded on 20 not-out. If Buttler gets his ton or is not out, let's lift him up to 6. However he's not consistent enough to simply replace a top order batsman. Mind you, we don't seem to have any (apart from one who batting well under form - Root) :(
 
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Yes....he's now justified his selection. Luckily Bess is staying with him otherwise Buttler might now be stranded on 20 not-out. If Buttler gets his ton or is not out, let's lift him up to 6. However he's not consistent enough to simply replace a top order batsman. Mind you, we don't seem to have any (apart from one who batting well under form - Root) :(
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I had no idea Buttler could play like that. I expected him to come in, biff a couple then get out. Bess applied himself well and made sure he was there at the close. Very mature play form a young kid.

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I attended the first ever Sunday test match at Lord's, which, iirc, was also against Pakistan. We saw one over's play, in which the two England tailend batsmen neither scored a run nor lost a wicket: one of them was Robin Jackman. Not a penny refund came my way!
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Early 80's? The rules have changed a bit since then: https://www.ecb.co.uk/refundscheme

ECB said:
For days 1 to 4 of the Investec Test Match: If play is restricted or does not take place at the ground on the day for which this ticket is valid, you may claim a refund of only the match ticket value subject to there being: (a) 15 overs or less because of adverse weather conditions or completion of the match - a full refund; (b) 15.1 overs to 29.5 overs because of adverse weather conditions or completion of the match - a 50% refund. In no other circumstances can money be refunded.
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Early 80's? The rules have changed a bit since then: https://www.ecb.co.uk/refundscheme
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Yes, probably. We only bought tickets on the day as well. I think the issue was bad light, rather than rain, with England's no. 10 and 11 having the extra protection then offered. I can't remember, but if Dickie Bird was one of the umpires then we might as well have gone home straightaway rather than hanging around for two hours consuming overpriced, disgusting beer!
 
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There have been none. Root's team have been dire. They look smug, complacent, ill prepared, under skilled, brainless, talent-less, formless, clueless and a disgrace. I also think they under estimated a disciplined and determined Pakistan team who have prepared for this series very well indeed.

Today is a fine day for batting but the England players simply throw wickets away with stupid shots. They have no patience and no real plan other than to try and whack each opposition bowler out of the attack like a 20/20 game. Attacking play is fine but you have to earn the right to do that and when conditions don't allow you shut up shop and make the opposition grind you out. The obsession with limited overs cricket is why we are in such a state. I understand why with a one of chance to win a home world cup coming up next year but they are separate disciplines and require different players and a different mentality. Until that is fixed we will far too often find ourselves at 100-5.

Turning to the side:

Cook - OK but wont go on forever and recent form has dipped.
Stoneman - Gone. But they wont pull the trigger before the next test we we are one down before the first ball.
Root - Best player but in shocking nick. Weighed down by captaincy and dross? move to 4? .
Malan - Gone. Please. Never rated him. He has had enough chances
Bairstow - not sure. Has the skill but seems to lack application and brain.
Stokes - Simply hasn't played enough red ball cricket - well out of nick with both bat and ball.
Buttler - No idea what he brings to a test side. Has had chance after chance. Only place, surely, is with the gloves.
Bess - Debutante. No criticism. Bring more kids in
Wood - Played OK with ball but we need to fall back on line and length when plan A doesn't work. Lacked rhythm and seemed to be told to bang it in short all the time
Broad - Played OK with ball but we need to fall back on line and length when plan A doesn't work. Lacked rhythm
Anderson - Played OK with ball but we need to fall back on line and length when plan A doesn't work. Lacked rhythm

PS Skip - don't bat on a cloudy swinging morning ffs!
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Cook and Stoneman have the worst average opening partnership record in English test history, and that was before today! Stoneman keeps getting bowled, not a good trait in a top order batsman, let alone an opener. Tom Moody used to get out this way so often, which explained why Warwickshire/Worcestershire/ Australia used to rely on him in one day matches but he could never crack the test team.

Bess is the youngest ever finger spinner to play tests for England, so his (batting!) performance is even more commendable.
 
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Pakistan have declared on 363 for 9
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Technically speaking, it wasn't a declaration. The correct term is "Innings Closed", which is used when a member(s) of the batting team isn't fit enough to resume his innings or to bat at all.

Moving on, though .... I listed to TMS for most of the coverage yesterday, and went from despair to enjoyment at the end. It'll be interesting to see how long Buttler and Bess can stay there, and how lay the bottom three can contribute as well. TMS will be on!!
 
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I assumed it was declared as it didn't say otherwise, but if he'd retired instead it would have counted as all out instead I think (unless he is part of that 9?)
 
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