Northern Class 170's

superkev · 14 Feb 2019

Northerns 3 car 158s would look a good match for the Harrogate line as they would get out of 1st gear. The slow to accelarate 170s more suitable for flatter and faster lines.
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PomWombat · 14 Feb 2019

I agree. But the 158s are less suitable for my knees so I'm hoping they don't start up a whole new random unit generator

northernchris · 14 Feb 2019

superkev said:
Northerns 3 car 158s would look a good match for the Harrogate line as they would get out of 1st gear. The slow to accelarate 170s more suitable for flatter and faster lines.
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The 158s aren't suited to the Harrogate line with their end doors though. The dwell times would increase and so would late running

61653 HTAFC · 14 Feb 2019

northernchris said:
The 158s aren't suited to the Harrogate line with their end doors though. The dwell times would increase and so would late running

210s would've been perfect if they'd gone into production!

Class455 · 14 Feb 2019

rich r said:
This morning the usual Class 170 on the Selby-Leeds route was replaced by a refurbished Class 158. Anyone know if this it temporary, or whether the 170s have moved on?

It’s probably due to a shortage of 170’s especially as one is on loan to TPE each day for the time being

rich r · 18 Feb 2019

Class455 said:
It’s probably due to a shortage of 170’s especially as one is on loan to TPE each day for the time being

Back to 170s now, so you're probably right.

TrainTube · 19 Feb 2019

170457 on test today between Hull and Doncaster

superkev · 19 Feb 2019

northernchris said:
The 158s aren't suited to the Harrogate line with their end doors though. The dwell times would increase and so would late running

The 158s particularly the handfull of 400hp ones are Northerns quickest dmu so the increased station time may be made up elseware.
From Rail express magazine 0 to 60 times are 158 350hp 98seconds, 170 114sec, 156 124sec.
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Harvey B · 8 Apr 2019

I don't know if this has been brought up before but what are the current routes that these units currently run on. Just need to double check if they run to York via Cross Gates.

northernchris · 8 Apr 2019

Harvey B said:
I don't know if this has been brought up before but what are the current routes that these units currently run on. Just need to double check if they run to York via Cross Gates.

The 170s operate the Leeds - Selby services and one comes off Neville Hill for the 1743 Leeds - York

Harvey B · 8 Apr 2019

northernchris said:
The 170s operate the Leeds - Selby services and one comes off Neville Hill for the 1743 Leeds - York

Only one service via to York Cross Gates? I would have thought there were more going to York via that Route. Are Leeds to York via Harrogate, Leeds to Selby, the late peak service to Doncaster and the 1743 Leeds to York via Cross Gates the only services the 170s run on at the moment ?(excluding the TPE service)

Adam0984 · 8 Apr 2019

Yes there’s one 170 Leeds to York via Garforth at 1743 all the others are generally 158s as they interwork with the York to Preston trains.
The other routes the 170 are on is Leeds to York and Knaresborough Via Harrogate, 0657 Doncaster to Leeds and 1757 back (booked a 321 but regularly turns a 170), Leeds to Selby and from the timetable change some of the Sheffield to Bridlington trains

Harvey B · 8 Apr 2019

Adam0984 said:
Yes there’s one 170 Leeds to York via Garforth at 1743 all the others are generally 158s as they interwork with the York to Preston trains.
The other routes the 170 are on is Leeds to York and Knaresborough Via Harrogate, 0657 Doncaster to Leeds and 1757 back (booked a 321 but regularly turns a 170), Leeds to Selby and from the timetable change some of the Sheffield to Bridlington trains

Thats a weird allocation for a 170. I guess the units may have to run an ECS move from Leeds to Sheffield every day but I think the wiser thing to do is either run them on a service that terminate at doncaster (Which is what they are doing already) then run it on an ECS to Sheffield or run it from Leeds to sheffield with passengers.

clagmonster · 9 Apr 2019

I have seen mutterings that there may also be some York - Hull services worked by them. That would seem a cunning way to swap them in and out of Hull. The alternative is the Hull - Halifax when they start, as they are I believe effectively extensions of the already 170 worked Selby - Leeds.

Harvey B · 9 Apr 2019

clagmonster said:
I have seen mutterings that there may also be some York - Hull services worked by them. That would seem a cunning way to swap them in and out of Hull. The alternative is the Hull - Halifax when they start, as they are I believe effectively extensions of the already 170 worked Selby - Leeds.

Both those routes could also work for the 170s to switch between Leeds and the Brid to sheffield route.

EIKN · 9 Apr 2019

Is it also the case the the scunthorpe line is getting 170's?

Halifaxlad · 9 Apr 2019

Im beginning to wonder if Northern has enough 170's to say I think they were going to be the main traction upon the Harrogate Line!

darloscott · 9 Apr 2019

There is a Hull-Leeds via York & Harrogate each way per day to swap the 155's in and out of Leeds so these could logically change to a 170 and be used to rotate the 170s. Am I right in thinking 155s will no longer work in and out of Hull at all?

61653 HTAFC · 9 Apr 2019

darloscott said:
There is a Hull-Leeds via York & Harrogate each way per day to swap the 155's in and out of Leeds so these could logically change to a 170 and be used to rotate the 170s. Am I right in thinking 155s will no longer work in and out of Hull at all?

The plan was for all 7 155s to work local services around Hull and be based there. Plans may have changed though.

Harvey B · 9 Apr 2019

darloscott said:
There is a Hull-Leeds via York & Harrogate each way per day to swap the 155's in and out of Leeds so these could logically change to a 170 and be used to rotate the 170s. Am I right in thinking 155s will no longer work in and out of Hull at all?

I think something like this would be ideal for a 170 to switch lines. They could also run the 170s to York via cross gates to allow them to switch on to the Bridlington to Hull to Sheffield workings. Or the other alternative is run them to Sheffield so they can switch on to the Sheffield to Brid services there.

Geeves · 9 Apr 2019

The plan has indeed changed and the 170s should be going onto the Hull - Sheffield and Leeds - Nottingham work and coming off the Harrogate lines... Apparently.

More 158s are needed for the Barrow and Windermere work from May onward.

darloscott · 9 Apr 2019

Geeves said:
The plan has indeed changed and the 170s should be going onto the Hull - Sheffield and Leeds - Nottingham work and coming off the Harrogate lines... Apparently.

More 158s are needed for the Barrow and Windermere work from May onward.

I thought I saw a post suggesting they weren’t able to reach Lincoln? This would preclude them from working the Nottingham’s unless they interwork those with other services?

Geeves · 9 Apr 2019

I think that might be another old wives tale as they have been there in Central trains days, unless things have changed since then ?

Harvey B · 9 Apr 2019

Geeves said:
The plan has indeed changed and the 170s should be going onto the Hull - Sheffield and Leeds - Nottingham work and coming off the Harrogate lines... Apparently.
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What about working Leeds to Selby? Will that still be 170's?

matacaster · 9 Apr 2019

Was on a 170 today, Hudds -> Wakefield. Big improvement over 142, particularly impressed by seating which is reasonably comfortable and general ambiance.

YorkshireBear · 9 Apr 2019

matacaster said:
Was on a 170 today, Hudds -> Wakefield. Big improvement over 142, particularly impressed by seating which is reasonably comfortable and general ambiance.

I doubt that will be regular!

greyman42 · 9 Apr 2019

clagmonster said:
I have seen mutterings that there may also be some York - Hull services worked by them. That would seem a cunning way to swap them in and out of Hull. The alternative is the Hull - Halifax when they start, as they are I believe effectively extensions of the already 170 worked Selby - Leeds.

Some York - Hull services are already operated by 170s. I don't know if these services are planned for 170s or if they are just standing in.

NoMorePacers · 9 Apr 2019

Can anyone say what the refurbished Northern 170s are like? I would like to know before they come onto services around Hull. Thanks.

61653 HTAFC · 9 Apr 2019

matacaster said:
Was on a 170 today, Hudds -> Wakefield. Big improvement over 142, particularly impressed by seating which is reasonably comfortable and general ambiance.

Agree with @YorkshireBear that this will be unusual, as platform lengths/occupation at Huddersfield is a problem for the Wakey shuttle. Kinda wish I'd managed to bag a 170 on that!

Harvey B · 9 Apr 2019

matacaster said:
Was on a 170 today, Hudds -> Wakefield. Big improvement over 142, particularly impressed by seating which is reasonably comfortable and general ambiance.

This is rare a Northern 170 at Huddersfield that is actually running a Northern service for once so i'm guessing that 170 must have been on worked a Transpennine Express service between Leeds and Huddersfield to get down there.
Which bears the question are you sure you wasn't on a transpennine Huddersfield express to Leeds service operated by a Northern class 170?

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