hexagon789
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It almost certainly will slow down, we were still on about a set a month on average.
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It almost certainly will slow down, we were still on about a set a month on average.
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1T98, 0845 Ex inverness for GLQ is a classic HST. seemingly still have some time left
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4 sets so far this year, isn’t it?
hexagon789
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I meant across the whole project thus far, a quick calculation gives about 0.75 sets per month overall
Interesting that there appears to be 3 TGS vehicles in the photo, did they continue on to Ely?
Also, can anyone confirm the statement in post #11331, that all vehicles for conversion are now at Doncaster, apart from those at Kilmarnock I assume.
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Well my source was the project manager but I'm sure if you don't believe me someone else will confirm. And yes there was a spare TGS in the formation.
Not questioning your source, just thought some were still at Ely. Wondered if the source meant all the classic sets for refurbishment have now left Scotland. Doesn’t mean I’m right, just hoping someone could corroborate.
does this number include all the vehicles required to extend the 4-car sets to 5-car?
I understand that none of the remaining Classics will be used from 1st April.
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I am hearing that the Wabtec Kilmarnock site is under threat.
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Because of reasons related to the virus or due to other factors?
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I am not sure. It was posted on Facebook but I can no longer find it. From memory it was suggested that they have started consultation with the workforce redundancies.
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hexagon789
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So it's not related to the virus but due to decreased workload. I thought the HST project was getting shared put with Kilmarnock to speed things up, I don't quite understand if this proposed closure would affect the HST delivery schedule or not.
Presumably that would depend on when closure would be if it went ahead.
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Wow. I am surprised at your tone. I am deeply dismayed that yet another Scottish location with rich railway heritage and engineering expertise, is to close. Continues the trend of the last few decades I guess.
From the information available, I think everyone can safely assume that what Wabtec say, is very different from what they do. The project has been an absolute disaster and I was amazed to read (on here?) that someone was even suggesting extending the sets mid-decade! They will be so ancient by then that Tutankhamen could be driving them. A new order needs to be sent in but the economy is going to be so badly damaged by COVID-19 that there is little chance of that currently.
From the information available, I think everyone can safely assume that what Wabtec say, is very different from what they do. The project has been an absolute disaster and I was amazed to read (on here?) that someone was even suggesting extending the sets mid-decade! They will be so ancient by then that Tutankhamen could be driving them. A new order needs to be sent in but the economy is going to be so badly damaged by COVID-19 that there is little chance of that currently.
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What tone? I didn't think I said anything negative?
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It seemed insensitive from my perspective to focus purely on the impact on the HST project without giving a mention of the loss of the site and the terrible impact on its workforce at such a time of crisis.
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It's the acceptance of decline that gets me. Anyway, back on topic, we are with these ancient trains for the next few years.
hexagon789
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But this thread is about the HSTs, discussing the sad loss of another railway works is surely off-topic and something for another thread?
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They were meant to be refurbishing HSTs and have been mentioned many times on this thread.
The joke that is Wabtec are the main issue for the glacialy slow rate of introduction of the HSTs. That coupled with the loss of another railway facility in Scotland meant to be working on train for ScotRail, shows the trend of decline is alive and well. What a sorry state.
The joke that is Wabtec are the main issue for the glacialy slow rate of introduction of the HSTs. That coupled with the loss of another railway facility in Scotland meant to be working on train for ScotRail, shows the trend of decline is alive and well. What a sorry state.
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If there isn't the volume of work to make the site financially viable, what do you suggest? It is not exactly surprising: the volume of new trains across the UK means that overhaul and (particularly) refurbishment of existing fleets is decreasing. Just one example: had Greater Anglia not gone for a complete fleet of new trains, it would have been likely that the Renatus programme would have been extended to many more 321s than the 30 done.
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What? It's precisely because Wabtec has been incapable of handling the volume of work that the HSTs are so late. They also said they would expand to Kilmarnock.
Has a single vehicle been refurbished at Kilmarnock as per Wabtec's vacuous information?
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Yes, but that does not mean govt will sanction re borrowing for 'non essential' projects when it has borrowed a lot to tackle covid related social security payments for example. All public spend best now off IMHO
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Yes and this will put the higher operating costs of HSTs into the spotlight, I hope. Given than long term planning is not our strong point, don't expect any move to lower carbon traction any time soon.
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Yes. Next...
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Does anyone know when the 5 coach sets will appear or has this been quietly shelved?
Shame Scotrail didn't keep all the 170s released by EGIP to strengthen most if not all the GLA/EDI - ADB/INV services to double 170s as a stop gap before ordering new units (802s?)
Shame Scotrail didn't keep all the 170s released by EGIP to strengthen most if not all the GLA/EDI - ADB/INV services to double 170s as a stop gap before ordering new units (802s?)
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