ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

Siemens Trains · 18 Dec 2020

scotrail170407 said:
Not sure about 2K01/2G02 and 2G13/2K14 but the old cardenden 68 diagrams appear to be down as HSTs at the December timetable change

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Realtime Trains - 5K18 0643 Kirkcaldy to Cardenden

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Any idea which particular HSTs are running on the Fife Circle (assuming it happened at all)?
I was considering catching one back from Edinburgh later today but just realised I've already bought an off peak return. Suppose I could pay the excess if necessary.

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adrock1976 · 18 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
Really? How big a HST or any other? I just Remembered when a Scotrail 156 visited Dundee with a class 158 in 2010 I think, the first 156 there in years. Wish it was a regular thing again but hey... where is Cadder?

The Cadder mentioned is the one in Bishopbriggs (G64 postcode, Dunbartonshire) between the station and Lenzie where there are passing loops. It is not far from the Forth & Clyde Canal.

There is another Cadder in Glasgow (G23 postcode, Lanarkshire) which is a housing scheme and also pronounced differently as Cor-da, which is next door to Lambhill and near the vicinity of Gilshochill station on the Maryhill Park line.

hexagon789 · 18 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
I was talking about the end platforms the terminus ones.

I realised that but I thought that using the throughs if possible was a potential workaround

najaB said:
Yes, they definitely can be.

Cheers, wasn't sure if that was still the case

Azzy49 · 18 Dec 2020

hexagon789 said:
I realised that but I thought that using the throughs if possible was a potential workaround

Cheers, wasn't sure if that was still the case

Yeah you're right bud.

InvHst · 19 Dec 2020

Siemens Trains said:
Any idea which particular HSTs are running on the Fife Circle (assuming it happened at all)?
I was considering catching one back from Edinburgh later today but just realised I've already bought an off peak return. Suppose I could pay the excess if necessary.

The only one that is scheduled a hst currently is the 1719 Edinburgh Cardenden service. The others are not running as hst operated currently due to cadder not being operational

Siemens Trains said:
Any idea which particular HSTs are running on the Fife Circle (assuming it happened at all)?
I was considering catching one back from Edinburgh later today but just realised I've already bought an off peak return. Suppose I could pay the excess if necessary.

However 1719 doesn't run on a Saturday so no hst round fife circle today it foes run Monday to Friday

Siemens Trains · 19 Dec 2020

InvHst said:
The only one that is scheduled a hst currently is the 1719 Edinburgh Cardenden service. The others are not running as hst operated currently due to cadder not being operational

However 1719 doesn't run on a Saturday so no hst round fife circle today it foes run Monday to Friday

That's good to know, thanks. I'll bear it in mind if returning home from an essential trip to the Waverley or Haymarket areas on weekdays.

IanXC · 20 Dec 2020

najaB said:
Anything up to 198m. The Royal Scotsman fits in 3 and that's six (seven?) carriages, plus locomotive.

Back of the envelope calculation suggests that a 2+7 HST would fit then.

47827 · 20 Dec 2020

Royal Scotsman was load 9 (and there was a plan to add a 10th carriage at some point) last I recall so a shorter hst could stable or terminate in Dundee Bay platform I think. I've seen the through ones in Dundee used bi directional both ways and they took load 12/13 with loco on each end and little overhang.

marks87 · 20 Dec 2020

I'm pretty sure the Royal Scotsman significantly overhangs P3 at Dundee. I remember arriving into P4 once and seeing it all the way back to the crossover, which is a fair distance away from the platform end.

But, again, this is largely moot in the context of Scotrail HSTs because few if any are scheduled to terminate in Dundee. But if one ever needed to, it could occupy any of 1, 2 or 4 without significant impact. It's possible a 2+4 HST could even sit in 1N, keeping the passing loop to 1S open for through services.

InOban · 20 Dec 2020

In the days before Operation Princess there was a XC HST which ran ECS from Edinburgh to Dundee and started from there. It would have been 2+7, of course, but which platform it used, don't know.

najaB · 20 Dec 2020

InOban said:
In the days before Operation Princess there was a XC HST which ran ECS from Edinburgh to Dundee and started from there. It would have been 2+7, of course, but which platform it used, don't know.

It started at platform 1 if memory serves correct.

Azzy49 · 21 Dec 2020

najaB said:
It started at platform 1 if memory serves correct.

That's true, XC never used the Bay Platforms... the service that terminates/ starts at Dundee to Penzance normally operated by a 221 or HST would use the through Platforms

najaB · 22 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
That's true, XC never used the Bay Platforms... the service that terminates/ starts at Dundee to Penzance normally operated by a 221 or HST would use the through Platforms

That's not entirely true. The terminators would arrive into platform 2.

Oh wait, that was the Plymouth service.

ER158715 · 22 Dec 2020

InvHst said:
Not at all platform 3 and 4 will never fit a five car plus powercars as they would foul the signal on 3 and 4 they have had that issue in the past regarding too many dmus being in the platform beforehand. Happened last year a few times a 4 car 158 and a 170 came into platform 4 caused a quick shunt out so 3 and 4 would have to be rebuilt to allow safely. 1 and 2 aren't an issue as such as they can accommodate 2x4 hsts on 2. Platform 1 does overhang but doesn't cause the same problem

Absolute rubbish. The signals on the end of P3&4 have repeaters on the rear of them to allow to start ahead of the signal. No issue for an HST power car to be ahead of I412/414 as all the coaches will be safely on the platform (unless the incoming driver stops well short of the buffers)

Azzy49 · 23 Dec 2020

I'm 18 years old and I wish I could see a pic of a 2+7 hst in the Dundee Bay platforms but since it happened that long ago then I can't imagine their being any pics... aside from that a Scotrail HST I saw on Scotrail Photos a 2+4 set was heading past Holytown which I believe is a rare sight was working Slateford to Inverness.

Clansman · 23 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
That's true, XC never used the Bay Platforms... the service that terminates/ starts at Dundee to Penzance normally operated by a 221 or HST would use the through Platforms

najaB said:
That's not entirely true. The terminators would arrive into platform 2.

Oh wait, that was the Plymouth service.

I used to be a regular on the first southbound XC from Dundee, and apart from Fridays when it was a 7+2 HST running from platform 1, it almost always ran from platform 2 regardless if it was a 4 or 5 car Voyager.

Azzy49 · 23 Dec 2020

Clansman said:
I used to be a regular on the first southbound XC from Dundee, and apart from Fridays when it was a 7+2 HST running from platform 1, it almost always ran from platform 2 regardless if it was a 4 or 5 car Voyager.

Interesting! I read and sorry if I'm wrong they used or still used the HST on a Friday. I was going to Edinburgh once on XC a was supposed to be a HST but came as X2 class 221 instead. I saw on Flickr just now a 2+4 Scotrail HST doing a service from Inverurie to Dundee. I've never seen or heard of any Inverurie service terminating at Dundee especially a HST. It couldn't have used a bay Platform to terminate so I'd imagine it probably would have went to Edinburgh or Glasgow from there. I feel ever since the HST's have been introduced a lot of new Services have been introduced. Such as the early morning Arbroath to Perth Service ran by a class 158

najaB · 23 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
I've never seen or heard of any Inverurie service terminating at Dundee especially a HST. It couldn't have used a bay Platform to terminate so I'd imagine it probably would have went to Edinburgh or Glasgow from there.

If it's the one I'm thinking it is (and the timetable hasn't changed), it terminates in 1N and then forms a service to Edinburgh. It gets passed by a Glasgow service that starts from 1S.

Azzy49 said:
I feel ever since the HST's have been introduced a lot of new Services have been introduced. Such as the early morning Arbroath to Perth Service ran by a class 158

The two happened around the same time, but it was a general timetable recast, rather than just the presence of HSTs that made it so.

Azzy49 · 23 Dec 2020

Yeah that makes general sense as they had made changes to the Timetable.

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Found this taken on 23rd December, at Inverness Depot... was their a shortage of Carriages?

InvHst · 27 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
Yeah that makes general sense as they had made changes to the Timetable.

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Found this taken on 23rd December, at Inverness Depot... was their a shortage of Carriages?

No quite the opposite 138 has been undergoing heavy maintenance and others were in for exams Inverness does a good deal of work for them now not just haymarket

Goldromans · 27 Dec 2020

InvHst said:
No quite the opposite 138 has been undergoing heavy maintenance and others were in for exams Inverness does a good deal of work for them now not just haymarket

Really nice to hear actually. Always been worried Aberdeen services would be prioritised as HSTs over Inverness services.

Azzy49 · 27 Dec 2020

Ah I see, so I take it when Cadder if that's the name I've forgot now lol. When Cadder HST Depot opens it would be doing all that lot too but would Haymarket and Inverness still be doing it for Hsts as Cadder will be a Hst Depot?

mcmad · 27 Dec 2020

Cadder is stabling/cleaning only. More like Millerhill than Haymarket.

scotraildriver · 27 Dec 2020

I wish they'd get 138 back in traffic. Fastest thing I've ever driven.

InvHst · 28 Dec 2020

Goldromans said:
Really nice to hear actually. Always been worried Aberdeen services would be prioritised as HSTs over Inverness services.

All down to where a set ends up overnight is the key indicator if a depot is a hst short thenthe last run out normally gets booked a unit vice hst

mcmad said:
Cadder is stabling/cleaning only. More like Millerhill than Haymarket.

Cadder once operational allows a lot to happen and opens up a lot of diagrams

scotraildriver said:
I wish they'd get 138 back in traffic. Fastest thing I've ever driven.

138 was used as a spare parts donor when it got to Inverness now they are actively working on getting it back in service

Steven_G · 28 Dec 2020

Certainly shows a long term commitment by bringing Cadder into operation.

Stathern Jc · 28 Dec 2020

InvHst said:
All down to where a set ends up overnight is the key indicator if a depot is a hst short thenthe last run out normally gets booked a unit vice hst.

Not influenced by which diagrams would "finish back here tonight" at all?
I would be very tempted .....

Azzy49 · 28 Dec 2020

InvHst said:
All down to where a set ends up overnight is the key indicator if a depot is a hst short thenthe last run out normally gets booked a unit vice hst

Cadder once operational allows a lot to happen and opens up a lot of diagrams

138 was used as a spare parts donor when it got to Inverness now they are actively working on getting it back in service

With a reduced Timetable in place, hoping they won't take long to restore it as for spare/active use.

InvHst · 30 Dec 2020

Once Cadder is operational their is due to be 15 hst diagrams a day up from the current 11/12 that normally appear

Azzy49 · 30 Dec 2020

InvHst said:
Once Cadder is operational their is due to be 15 hst diagrams a day up from the current 11/12 that normally appear

Can't wait... I got footage of a Scotrail HST passing Broughty Ferry on my YouTube Channel "Aaron Arshad" heading to Glasgow QS from Aberdeen and it gave my Mum a fright. There was another one straight after passing it from Edinburgh to Aberdeen but I only recorded for the first HST as the second HST came past unannounced otherwise I would have got that too

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