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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion
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Goldromans
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ScotRail confirmed on Twitter that the first 5-coach set is undergoing testing at Doncaster and are expecting delivery early next year. This seems to suggest the last full set will indeed be delivered with 5 coaches.
Fantastic news! I've been waiting to hear that for so long. With less 4 Sets than 5 Sets, it does make sense to me now why 4 sets were delivered first being their smaller
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The final set will remain at Doncaster until at least March, used to test the new 5th coaches so it might not be the first 5 car into service. Cadder opens January 31st.
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Has there been any official word as to how they will be delivered? Guessing it won’t be one at a time!
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I may have missed something upthread, but how much additional testing needs to be done on the 5th coaches beyond what was done for those already in use?
Is it just a case of testing controls etc in refurbished stock over the longer formation? Or are they considered a different type to the other refurbished standard class Mk 3s so requiring some full certification as suitable for use?
Is it just a case of testing controls etc in refurbished stock over the longer formation? Or are they considered a different type to the other refurbished standard class Mk 3s so requiring some full certification as suitable for use?
I don't imagine it's much testing per coach, but they're going to use the last set to test each coach as it's ready so it won't be delivered until (close to) the end of production.
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Thanks.
So just retaining the final set for "in unit" checks of finished coaches at the works rather than any "type testing" being necessary.
Makes sense.
So just retaining the final set for "in unit" checks of finished coaches at the works rather than any "type testing" being necessary.
Makes sense.
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Each Coach has to undergo acceptance tests prior to going on lease with Scotrail. It's no different to every other coach already delivered, but you need a pair of power cars and a set of coaches to do it. For example the bell buzzer comms and PIS is in the 1st clsss coach so you need one of these as well to test the other coaches.
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I'd expect they will use HA19 to test each vehicle as it is completed, then send 4 or 5 of the extra vehicles up to Scotland at a time.
I would love to see a 9 Car set up North? Are the former LNER Powercars longer than Scotrails Powercars I know some Liveries on Vehicles can make them look shorter and longer for example Stagecoach livery Plaxton Elite looks longer than a former Citylink gold Elite despite them being the same Vehicle essentially.
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Power cars are all the same size(!).
Alright, calm down I was only asking a general Question as that sometimes pops into Mind when I watch Trains at Speed Videos and seeing different Powercars
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Eh? It was actually a straight down the line response. If you want the sarcastic response that you seemingly deserve, it can be arranged.
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Just general testing, they are the same type as the other Trailer Standard with a toilet - TSL
Correct, the difference is one extra TSL giving 74 more Std Class seats in the 5-car against the 4-car.
Right well no need to get lippy when I was asking a "straight down the line question". You could have SIMPLY said "All HST Powercars are the same
) rather than what you did seemed a bit rude. Now you're wanting to be sarcastic for no reason and I don't see how I deserve it lol. All I said was for you to calm down after I asked a general Question that somehow managed to upset you
That would be incorrect thoughYou could have SIMPLY said "All HST Powercars are the same
I meant to edit that lol. Was meant to say the same Length.That would be incorrect though
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When I watched a St Pancras Video the Buffered HSTS did look slightly longer as did their Carriages but If they were the same length than must have been the Camera Angle.
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The buffer fitted power cars are slightly different length, if you take the length as length over buffers/couplers, purely because the buffers need to extend beyond the point of the nose for obvious reasons. Trailers are all the same length - although manufacturing precision in the 1970s wasn't what it is now*.
* AnsaldoBreda excepted, of course.
Right, thanks for clearing that up and yet you said "All Powercars were the same". Glad you changed your Tune
Keep in mind the difference is simply down to how they are measured (nose to tail vs buffer to tail), the body shell is the same length.Right, thanks for clearing that up and yet you said "All Powercars were the same". Glad you changed your Tune
I'll keep that in mind for sure. I think they look better with Buffers. One former LNER Hst had part of the Lower Body Shell missing I'll see if I can find It.
Will the 5 Carriage Scotrail set have the same Coach layout such as the Buffet Car being near a Powercar. For me personally it makes more sense to have 2 standard Coaches then the Buffet Car then another Standard Coach after then First class or after the buffet 2 first class instead of that.
I don't know why they'd let that Powercar back in service despite some of it missing then again it was due to move to EMR a month later.
http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/photo/sc...ttp://www.scot-rail.co.uk/photo/scaled/23292/ found these too
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You specifically referred to LNER and ScotRail power cars in your post, neither of which have/had buffer-fitted power cars.Right, thanks for clearing that up and yet you said "All Powercars were the same". Glad you changed your Tune
I meant length wise but I see your point
FlybeDash8Q400
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I don’t want to risk getting off topic but to answer your question it was put into service like that was probably due a shortage of available parts/parts under repair, the car was needed in service as I’m 90% sure we’d already withdrawn some from main service at that point (43206 and 43312 for the tour) and NL65 had already gone. The amount of parts Craigy would’ve had will likely have gone down as well as they were well into the process of being phased out.
It’s perfectly safe for it to enter service like that, it’s a fibreglass panel. Also it would have only entered service like that as a last last resort.
Note to admin: I’m not sure if this is maybe worth putting into a separate thread.
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