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East Midlands Parkway: Passenger Numbers

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The BBC are reporting that passenger numbers at East Midlands Parkway have risen almost 120% - with around 450,000 journeys made from the station over the past year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16763811

Thought this may be of interest, given recent discussions on whether the station is a white elephant. My recent visits there have found the place deserted at various times of the day, with few boarding or leaving the trains.
 
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The BBC are reporting that passenger numbers at East Midlands Parkway have risen almost 120% - with around 450,000 journeys made from the station over the past year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16763811

Thought this may be of interest, given recent discussions on whether the station is a white elephant. My recent visits there have found the place deserted at various times of the day, with few boarding or leaving the trains.

I've been there a few times and never seen more people on the station than you could count on one hand. The carpark does always seem fairly busy though suggesting it gets good use at peak times. Personally I'd remove the Nottingham HST off peak and stop it at Loughborough instead. Nottingham would still have the Lincoln-Leicester service calling at the parkway, and there would still be the hourly Sheffield service. 3tph doesn't seem worthwhile off peak. Remove the HST and you can remove the dispatch staff offpeak too.
 

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East Midlands Parkway has so much potential and really just needs more routes linking into it, a smaller car park so more will be forced to use trains, and more airport destinations. That would really make the airport's station even busier, going onto 1/2 million passengers a year.
 

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i use the station on a regular basis, can get busy but unlike a major town does not have a captive market in terms of a town centre location so it is all commuters/travellers who want easy parking ( which is why i use it) or airport/ megabus connections,

IMO two things that could be better, firstly they have an enormous car park that is never full to capacity yet they raise the daily price, in this day and age a train station that can offer a facility to park all day for £3/4 would appeal to a greater audience ( rugby is the only mainline station i know that offers this!) and secondly, they run two trains an hour to london yet they leave within a few minutes of each other ( probably explains why its barren for long periods!)!

that said it is a nice little station and is a damn site more accessable that nottingham/ leicester or Derby by car, will see what benefits all the upgrade work at Loughborough make and i may change my mind but for now will keep using it when i head out!
 

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East Midlands Parkway has so much potential and really just needs more routes linking into it, a smaller car park so more will be forced to use trains, and more airport destinations. That would really make the airport's station even busier, going onto 1/2 million passengers a year.

Wouldn't a smaller car park encourage more people to just drive to their destination instead? For the most part parkway stations' raison d'etre is to provide space for people to park outside of town and get the train. Cutting parking spaces wouldn't make much sense, if anything increasing them would probably improve patronage.
 

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So that's what Parkway means. It's just because there's an airport aswell, and with EMAirport having potential for more international flights, that would help.
 

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It's a posh name for park and ride :lol:
And there goes my idea for Cadley Parkway out of the window. At least I can still come up with Barton Parkway :D
Back on the EM Parkway subject, I guess if we just increase space and routing we're sorted.
 

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The Parkway has nothing to do with the airport. When it first opened there was a bus link to the airport, but this was soon removed due to lack of use. East Midlands Airport is mainly a holiday airport with low cost and charter flights, so doesn't get the large amounts of business and commuter traffic that make public transport viable. If you're travelling with a family for a week or 2 holiday you're unlikely to go by public transport due to the cost and the trouble, added to the concern about delays and missing the flight. Much easier and in many cases cheaper just to get a taxi, or even to drive and use the long stay parking. The Skylink buses which do provide a good service are not that well used. The Leicester direct one was withdrawn some years ago, the Nottingham direct goes in March, and the Leicester-Loughborough-Airport-Derby bus is only really viable because it gets a lot of none airport use (as will the new Nottingham-Long Eaton-Airport-Loughborough service).

I imagine most of the parkway users are people from the surrounding towns and villages who find it easier to drive there rarther than getting into one of the cities or rail served towns. In terms of parking charges, I suppose it's a balence because they want to try and grow custom rarther than divert it from other stations. Making parking cheaper might attract those who currently use the other stations, but there isn't really a gain for that (and a lot of money is being spent on Nottingham and Loughborough stations, and has been spent on Derby, so pulling passengers away to the Parkway isn't desirable).
 

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It's a posh name for park and ride :lol:

Not really. Park and Ride schemes and Parkway stations are both big car parks on the outskirts of a town/city but the former is for people who want to get to the centre of that town whereas the latter is for people who want to go to other towns. Parkway stations aim to capture people who wouldn't otherwise use the train at all, preferring to drive all the way to their destination (or indeed, to a park and ride site just outside their destination city...).
 

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Does anyone have figures for Corby and/or Aylesbury Vale Parkway?

New ones are due to be released immanently, arent they? Aylesbury Vale Parkway is still quiet most of the time, but it isnt really there for today, it's there for when the Berryfields and Weedon Hill housing estates are finished and occupied, which is still the best part of ten years away. The plan is that the population of Aylesbury will rise fairly significantly because of the new builds and they are being built on the proviso that there will be a good rail link to central London. I dont think you will be able to say whether AVP has been a success or a failure until at least 2025.
 

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Aye, figures due out the first week of February I believe. I think those for the A-B have been released too. All stations have succeeded expectation, with stations like Livingston North, Uphall and Bathgate seeing good rises too (between 4-12% I think).
 

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:shock:

Where would you put that?

Mill Lane Park of course! Near Our Lady's Catholic HS there is a gap between the tracks and the fences allowing for a station. There would be no chance for a parkway though unless they did something mental, accessed through Mill Lane...just not happening though, kill the Parkway name anyway.
End of off topic talk.
P.S. Figures are out February? Bit late but better late than never!
P.P.S. Good luck to East Midlands Parkway to the future, what else could be done to make it a national major station?
 
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East Midlands Parkway has so much potential and really just needs more routes linking into it,

For instance a bus service. Without a car, you can only reach East Midlands Parkway by train, Megabus or taxi. There are no bus services to the station.

And while we are on the subject of the missed opportunities, there are still no plans to link Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations. A dedicated footway would link these two stations just 200 metres apart.
 

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The Parkway has nothing to do with the airport. When it first opened there was a bus link to the airport, but this was soon removed due to lack of use. East Midlands Airport is mainly a holiday airport with low cost and charter flights, so doesn't get the large amounts of business and commuter traffic that make public transport viable. If you're travelling with a family for a week or 2 holiday you're unlikely to go by public transport due to the cost and the trouble, added to the concern about delays and missing the flight. Much easier and in many cases cheaper just to get a taxi, or even to drive and use the long stay parking. The Skylink buses which do provide a good service are not that well used. The Leicester direct one was withdrawn some years ago, the Nottingham direct goes in March, and the Leicester-Loughborough-Airport-Derby bus is only really viable because it gets a lot of none airport use (as will the new Nottingham-Long Eaton-Airport-Loughborough service).

I imagine most of the parkway users are people from the surrounding towns and villages who find it easier to drive there rarther than getting into one of the cities or rail served towns. In terms of parking charges, I suppose it's a balence because they want to try and grow custom rarther than divert it from other stations. Making parking cheaper might attract those who currently use the other stations, but there isn't really a gain for that (and a lot of money is being spent on Nottingham and Loughborough stations, and has been spent on Derby, so pulling passengers away to the Parkway isn't desirable).

Agree with this completely.

I live in Castle Donington, which is equidistant from Loughborough, Derby and Long Eaton, all of which are served by EMT on the MML.

East Midlands Parkway is a very useful station for me (and the closest), however it is rarely busy, and I have often been the only one boarding.

The only time I have seen this station bustling is when EMT ran the 'Red Dot Day' promotion near to when it opened.

The two trains leaving with 10 minutes of each other is an issue yes, but you do get a choice between a 222 or a HST :D
 

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P.S. Figures are out February? Bit late but better late than never!
P.P.S. Good luck to East Midlands Parkway to the future, what else could be done to make it a national major station?

February's quite early, in the past it was usually April. I doubt EMD will ever be a major national station, that isn't its nature or purpose.
 
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The two trains leaving with 10 minutes of each other is an issue yes, but you do get a choice between a 222 or a HST :D

Don't quite understand why the EMP > St Pancras departures leave within 10 on each other. Would it make more sense to omit the EMP stop from the fast Nottingham to St Pancras train, and instead include EMP on the stopping train from Nottingham to St Pancras instead. And do the same in the other direction.
 

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There definately seem to be a few more passengers everytime I go through it.
 

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I don't know, maybe it's to do with the times at the other end? Sheffield to/from London has 2tph, they're within 10 minutes of each other at the north end but evenly spaced at the south because one makes more stops than the other.
 

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I use it fairly often as a change point. Sometimes I'll get a Notts HST to EastMids, change for the Sheffield Meridian that's ten minutes behind it to continue into Derby. The HST is generally less busy than a Sheffield 222.
 

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Don't quite understand why the EMP > St Pancras departures leave within 10 on each other. Would it make more sense to omit the EMP stop from the fast Nottingham to St Pancras train, and instead include EMP on the stopping train from Nottingham to St Pancras instead. And do the same in the other direction.
Looking at the 14:02 ex-Notts stopper's path in the Up direction, it passes Trent South at 14:13, only four minutes behind the Sheffield fast. It then arrives St.P at 15:59, five minutes ahead of the following Sheffield semi-fast. You'd therefore need to take one stop out of that stopper to put an E.M.P. call in - but, having done that, your nice even distribution at E.M.P. isn't worth much in terms of the whole journey - the second train's only five minutes behind the first by the time they get to London!
 

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For instance a bus service. Without a car, you can only reach East Midlands Parkway by train, Megabus or taxi. There are no bus services to the station.


better cycle connections to nearby villages would also help, at the moment its very difficult/dangerous to access EMD by bike or foot from most directions, you have to go along the terrifying A453. there are hopes that A453 widening will include some sort of cycle/footpath but highways agency are a law unto themselves, and anything other than moving more cars is way down the priority list.
 
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