1A40 Night Riviera Sleeper to London (22/1/12)

[mralexn]

Anyone got any idea whats going on?
I hear that it has failed at mutley tunnel, and now its standing on plat 4 due to a TPWS problem,

 

[ainsworth74]

Don't have the answer to your question (sorry ) but I'm wondering do you always watch the Night Rivera as whenever there is a problem you seem to spot it and post about it?

 

[Ibex]

Departed Plymouth 6 minutes late, arrived at Totnes 121 late. Not bad. As of 04:48 it's currently in the Castle Cary area 144 minutes late.

TRUST delay attribution is
“Update 23:33. 1A40 TPWS Probs Plymouth, Plymouth signaller advises. Train now stationary after departing. Wtg further info. 1A40 returned to Plymouth pending events. Update 01:30, 2 HST power cars off Laira TMD to work train forward. On the move 121' late.”.

A further 46 minute delay was incurred at Exeter St Davids whilst the HST power cars were swapped with the loco off 1C99 which is now working the train forward to Paddington.

The train is also booked via Honiton tonight but I'm not too up on that area so I don't know if that's a regular route for 1A40. That should answer your question.

 

[HSTEd]

They hauled it with HST power cars?
I thought the only power cars with the couplings neccesary are Grand Central ones?

 

[shedman]

The detactable draw bar for the front of the power cars can attach to the draw hook of a loco (with some exceptions, DBS 66/67). It's not a difficult thing to do.

 

[Yew]

So essentially we have a sleeper variant of a hst

 

[CallySleeperKid]

Would be interesting to see a photo of this working! Hopefully one will turn up.

 

[Eagle]

Departed Plymouth 6 minutes late, arrived at Totnes 121 late.

Appears to have passed Lipson Junction (near Laira) 121 late, actually. Departed Plymouth 23.26, passed Lipson 01.24.

The booked route was via Honiton and Melksham, but it appears to have disappeared at Westbury to turn up at Reading having made up half an hour so I guess it went via Newbury instead. Amazingly it made up another half hour between Reading and London to arrive at the respectable time of 06.30.

 

[sonic2009]

So that explains why I got woke up at Exeter this morning by the Sound of an HST, I'm on 1C99 having been travelling with a friend from Reading , having duly accepted a last minute trip all paid for. Well on an advance currently left Camborne on our way to Penzance. I will post a photo with my Phone.

 

[sonic2009]

Pictures

 

[marks87]

So essentially we have a sleeper variant of a hst

Sort of.

IIRC, they couple the power cars back-to-back, and essentially use them as one loco to drag the 57 Thunderbird-style (which is slightly ironic).

There was a YouTube video, but I can't seem to find it.

 

[Drsatan]

Sort of.

IIRC, they couple the power cars back-to-back, and essentially use them as one loco to drag the 57 Thunderbird-style (which is slightly ironic).

There was a YouTube video, but I can't seem to find it.

This isn't the first time two HST power cars have been coupled back to back to haul the sleeper. It's occured on several occasions whenever the 57 booked to haul the train has failed and there are no 57s spare.

 

[Liam]

Sort of.

IIRC, they couple the power cars back-to-back, and essentially use them as one loco to drag the 57 Thunderbird-style (which is slightly ironic).

There was a YouTube video, but I can't seem to find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYbXNy5cWQ

 

[mralexn]

Don't have the answer to your question (sorry ) but I'm wondering do you always watch the Night Rivera as whenever there is a problem you seem to spot it and post about it?

well, i live in plymouth, and that train is my favourite bit of traction so

 

[sonic2009]

According to GEN. The Sleeper tonight will run with The Powercars and The 57 again.

 

[crewmeal]

So did they fix the 57 then?

 

[HSTEd]

If there are power cars lying spare would it not be easier to just fit the train with TDM cables and run it top and tail?

 

[ainsworth74]

well, i live in plymouth, and that train is my favourite bit of traction so

Ah well that explains that then

 

[richw]

anyone know which hst numbers were drafted in, and which loco broke
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Pictures

Sonic, may i post your picture to another forum i use where i visit who are discussing this formation also.

 

[mralexn]

According to GEN. The Sleeper tonight will run with The Powercars and The 57 again.

im totally gonna go try bash that!

 

[TEW]

If there are power cars lying spare would it not be easier to just fit the train with TDM cables and run it top and tail?

Conventional HST powercars, like FGWs aren't fitted with TDM, only the ones adapted to work in tandem with 91s, the buffer fitted GC ones are. You also still need a 57 in the formation for ETH purposes, the ETH supply from the HST powercars being different to that from standard ETH. If you ran top and tail it would mean connecting an HST powercar blunt end to the 57, which I don't think is possible. Long term it is a possibility, with the coaching stock converted to the same systems as HST powercars with the service hauled by two powercars top and tail, for a short term answer to the 57 failing it is not possible.

 

[12CSVT]

Pictures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYbXNy5cWQ

I notice the picture by sonic2009 and the youtube link by Liam both feature 57602. Is this loco jinxed ?

 

[sprinterguy]

It's incredible that the time has come when locos are being rescued by HST power cars, and on more than one occasion now. Such a thing would have been virtually unthinkable fifteen or twenty years ago, it's completely backwards!

There really aren't many locos going round these days are there (Comparatively).

 

[sonic2009]

Yes RichW feel free to use elsewhere, feel free to PM me for more pics.

I will try and find out what's on the Up Sleeper for Paddington.
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Power Cars Used were 43141+43135

57602 locomotive in Question.
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According to my sources and in Trust for tonight the same combo is booked for 1A40 2145 PNZ-PAD

 

[TEW]

Rumours suggest 43135 and 43141 will come off the train at Newton Abbot though, having assisted 57602 over the worst of the gradients along the route.

 

[sonic2009]

So what's wrong with it? I'm told it's TPWS

 

[TEW]

No, that was 57603 last week. This time I don't know but it failed going up a bank yesterday, so presumably it does work, but is unable to cope with some of the banks along the route.

 

[daikilo]

It's incredible that the time has come when locos are being rescued by HST power cars, and on more than one occasion now. Such a thing would have been virtually unthinkable fifteen or twenty years ago, it's completely backwards!

There really aren't many locos going round these days are there (Comparatively).

That is Laira for you. Think out of the box. Do what is possible.

 

[sprinterguy]

That is Laira for you. Think out of the box. Do what is possible.

It's certainly better than having to cancel the service but at one time they wouldn't have had to resort to such an unorthodox solution.

 

[34D]

Maybe under intercity express programme (if it ever happens) we will see some stock that is compatible with the day stock.

Presumably there are other poorly 57s also? I saw the other day that the class 08 brought the ecs into Pad.