DaveNewcastle
Established Member
Hull Trains leave Kings Cross at 7:20 and will get you to Peterborough, Grantham, Doncaster etc.
From http://www.atoc.org/about-atoc
Set up after privatisation in 1993, ATOC brings together all train companies to preserve and enhance the benefits for passengers of Britains national rail network.
I fail to see the "benefits for passengers" here...
Set up after privatisation in 1993, ATOC brings together all train companies to preserve and enhance the benefits forpassengersshareholders of Britains national rail network.
Chiltern / London Marylebone aren't mentioned on there, if from London you could catch a train upto Birmingham Moor Street (and then start from New Street at 10?) or even to leamington spa and catch a voyager from there northwards?
You can't buy them via a UK IP address and you have to be resident outside of the UK to be able to buy one so buying one using a European address if you live in the UK is still not allowed.
OK, Striker, how do you validate your BritRail pass? You need to provide your passport number at the first station of departure.
Not much use to a British passport holder.
Train staff also have the right to ask for proof of foreign residency.
Travelling with an unvalidated BritRail pass would be the same as ticketless travel, leaving you open to full, undiscounted fares, penalty fares and possibily prosecution.
Particularly prosecution if it were proved you were a British citizen using a ticket to which you were not entitled.
That's fraud, as is deliberately not filling in 'boxes'.
No, and it doesn't. ScotRail is not one of the TOCs with restrictions.I wonder if this was intended to rule out the southbound caledonian sleepers?
Hmmm.There, that's about right.From http://www.atoc.org/about-atoc
Set up after privatisation in 1993, ATOC brings together all train companies to preserve and enhance the benefits for [strikeout]passengers[/strikeout] shareholders of Britains national rail network.
I fail to see the "benefits for passengers" here...
It is a company wholly owned by the Secretary of State, which has been set up as the holding company of any Secretary of State operating company.
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East Coast will be responsible for the day to day running of the trains and will operate the franchise in accordance with its obligations under the Services Agreement.
Pass Validation
Passes are issued open dated and must be validated within six months from the date of issue and prior to the first day of use. To validate a rail pass, present it along with your passport to the Railway official at the station of departure. At this time, the first and the last day of validity of the pass as well as the passport number is entered and the passenger must sign the pass. Under no circumstances is the pass holder allowed to validate his or her own pass. In the case of a Flexipass, the passenger must enter the date of travel each day before he/she boards the first train of the day. Failure to comply with this requirement may result in the payment of a fine and the cost of a full fare ticket.
From the BritRail website:
http://www.britrail.com/terms-and-conditions
I'll concede the point about residency. However being 'resourceful' is still tantamount to fraud if you are not entitled through either living abroad or by virtue of foreign nationality.
I don't understand which routeing option is restored.there are a new set of fares Leeds - York (and vice versa) and stations at either end of the Harrogate Loop (i.e Burley Park, Headingly, Poppleton etc) which are Rte Harrogate and cheaper than the Rte Any Permitted fare. This restores an old routeing option withdrawn a few years after privatisation.
Ilcertainly will be writing to my MP and Phillip Hammond and David Cameron on this subject
No, and it doesn't. ScotRail is not one of the TOCs with restrictions.
And neither is FGW so the south west sleepers are still OK too.
I read elsewhere that people that had to make a few business trips to London in a week were using All Line Rovers to avoid paying the full Standard Anytime Return fare.
I don't think you can blame the TOCs then for wanting these restrictions. They are losing revenue by people taking advantage of the ALR.One of the easiest ways to save money, that is if you know about the ALR in the first place.
I don't think you can blame the TOCs then for wanting these restrictions. They are losing revenue by people taking advantage of the ALR.