Another Rogue

[DownSouth]

I would be very cautious about saying he's "playing the Asperger card" our claiming he does not have Asperger Syndrome. Nobody here has identified themselves as a psychiatrist capable of determining whether he does or does not have Asperger Syndrome based on just speculation on an internet forum.

From the limited (and hardly impartial) information I've read in the linked stories and the basic training I've had as a teacher, I think there's a fair chance that the Asperger Syndrome diagnosis is genuine. However, it does not excuse the type of sophisticated fraud being discussed here (whether alleged or proven). A child or teenager with a low-functioning autism spectrum disorder and a train fixation might wander onto a train without being aware of the need to buy tickets (and need to be picked up by their a parent/gaurdian, not dealt with as a fare evader), but the sophisticated [alleged] fraud described is not consistent with something caused by Asperger Syndrome.

 

[crystal49]

Erm... that does perhaps sound like he should be "done" for making a hoax call (or more than one). Or has he been?

The police know it's him and I don't know why he has gotton away with that. Maybe the same reason he is getting away with fraud.
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I would be very cautious about saying he's "playing the Asperger card" our claiming he does not have Asperger Syndrome. Nobody here has identified themselves as a psychiatrist capable of determining whether he does or does not have Asperger Syndrome based on just speculation on an internet forum.

From the limited (and hardly impartial) information I've read in the linked stories and the basic training I've had as a teacher, I think there's a fair chance that the Asperger Syndrome diagnosis is genuine. However, it does not excuse the type of sophisticated fraud being discussed here (whether alleged or proven). A child or teenager with a low-functioning autism spectrum disorder and a train fixation might wander onto a train without being aware of the need to buy tickets (and need to be picked up by their a parent/gaurdian, not dealt with as a fare evader), but the sophisticated [alleged] fraud described is not consistent with something caused by Asperger Syndrome.

I have also looked in Aspergers and consulted people who have a knowledge of it and all have agreed it is nothing more than attention seeking. He has a fixation on all forms of public transport and roads etc. He was even in the newspapers claiming he was a human satnav. In your experience does an Aspergers sufferer imagine other illnesses? He apparently has a bad heart and at one point had a heart attack every week. I don't know what his excuse is for the crutches and wheelchair! He does these things thinking he will get away with anything and so far he is correct.

 

[Ivo]

People have also indicated that he may be reading, would it be an over reaction to think that if he doesent like what he sees he may try to take some kind of legal action against the forum? As has been said he is the kind of man to sue at the drop of a hat.

Oh, but many of us also have AS so this kind of behaviour - i.e. not showing any obvious empathy - is to be expected.

If he can pull this kind of stunt on grounds of dicrimination so can we

Said legal action will not work. A person with AS cannot reasonably claim discrimination against some who has AS themselves. It is true of pretty much anything. Similarly, I can get away with using all manner of nasty tags in relaiton to AS, given I have it myself - unlike you neuro-typical lot

 

[Captain Chaos]

My brother also has AS and he knows the difference between right and wrong. I wouldn't go as far as to say this guy hasn't got AS, I would say that he probably has. But this neither excuses nor validates the crimes he has been committing.

 

[syorksdeano]

It sounds like this person is a menace and is using the AS as a get out clause. I am quite surprised that the railway has done nothing to stop this pest from getting on any train.

Personally I don't care if he is reading whatever is put about him, because I think that he is a first class prick who is using his so called 'disability' in order to defraud rail companies and make genuine customers like me pay more so that he can pretend that he is the 'big man'. For those that suffer from AS in the area where he lives, they will be looked at in a different light now by people thinking if they are pulling the same scam.

 

[anthony263]

I dont really think there is much the railway can do although staff do know what he looks like and know what he is like the same with most of the bus drivers in Newport

 

[syorksdeano]

I dont really think there is much the railway can do although staff do know what he looks like and know what he is like the same with most of the bus drivers in Newport

Can't the railway company that run the station get some sort of court order banning him from using any of their stations?

 

[anthony263]

They probably could although I don't know if they have already tried and failed perhaps one of the other members o this forum coudl answer to this question.

I wont say anything more publicly on the situation with the local bus operators over this man as I want to cover my back although I will happily answer some questions if you PM me.

 

[jon0844]

If he's clever enough to claim a range of disabilities, he would be straight to the Daily Mail etc if anyone tried to ban him. I'm sure he's wise enough to have thought of that.

He might even want that - to then sue for discrimination.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Can't the railway company that run the station get some sort of court order banning him from using any of their stations?

What, something like an injunction?

Yes, of course they could. An injunction preventing a specific person from entering railway premises. Simple.
There's just two hurdles:
Evidence that a Criminal Offence is likely to follow if the injunction wasn't put in place to prevent it,
Evidence to assure the Judge that the Person concerned presents a real hazard to the lawful pursuit of the Applicant (the TOC operating the station).

From what I've read on here (and I have no other knowledge of this person), the Evidence appears to be a trail of successful claims against Operators.

If there really isn't robust Evidence to demonstrate absolute intention to commit an Offence against a Railway Operator, then just how would such an Application for an Injunction be presented?

 

[LE Greys]

What, something like an injunction?

Yes, of course they could. An injunction preventing a specific person from entering railway premises. Simple.
There's just two hurdles:
Evidence that a Criminal Offence is likely to follow if the injunction wasn't put in place to prevent it,
Evidence to assure the Judge that the Person concerned presents a real hazard to the lawful pursuit of the Applicant (the TOC operating the station).

From what I've read on here (and I have no other knowledge of this person), the Evidence appears to be a trail of successful claims against Operators.

If there really isn't robust Evidence to demonstrate absolute intention to commit an Offence against a Railway Operator, then just how would such an Application for an Injunction be presented?

Is it not possible to get him for malicious litigation?

 

[DownSouth]

Is it not possible to get him for malicious litigation?

You're combining two issues there - malicious prosecution which is to do with filing of criminal claims, and vexatious litigation which is to do with filing multiple civil claims in a short period of time that are totally without merit. I presume what you mean is vexatious litigation, but even then that is applied exclusively at the court's discretion and cannot possibly apply to a person with a history of successful claims. To have a person declared a vexatious litigant requires that the claims they file be “totally without merit” which would not be the case with successful claims.

The only thing that is going to work is getting him for offences which can be proven, and for the companies involved to carefully document proof showing all due process has been followed. As much as he may be a right piece of work (considering only one side of the story has been aired here) that is no excuse for the rail companies to drag themselves down to his level where he'll beat them with experience.

 

[crystal49]

You're combining two issues there - malicious prosecution which is to do with filing of criminal claims, and vexatious litigation which is to do with filing multiple civil claims in a short period of time that are totally without merit. I presume what you mean is vexatious litigation, but even then that is applied exclusively at the court's discretion and cannot possibly apply to a person with a history of successful claims. To have a person declared a vexatious litigant requires that the claims they file be “totally without merit” which would not be the case with successful claims.

The only thing that is going to work is getting him for offences which can be proven, and for the companies involved to carefully document proof showing all due process has been followed. As much as he may be a right piece of work (considering only one side of the story has been aired here) that is no excuse for the rail companies to drag themselves down to his level where he'll beat them with experience.

You're correct with the experience quote. He once boasted that he had sued BT and Scottish Power. He also boasted that he laid traps for the Post Office, sending himself something in the post and then lying in wait for it's arrival with a stopwatch. I think the way he gets away with it is, he is on the move!!!!thanks to you guys. He uses courts up and down the country, who don't have the time to compare notes. He took a friend of mine to a small claims court in Newport although he lived in Glasgow at the time and that is where the dispute between them took place, and won!! even though he was a 100% wrong. I know you said this is one-sided but we can't all be wrong about this guy as a lot of us have had personal experience of him. If he was to give his side of things ( and remember how plausable he can be) he would be quoting the law to you chapter and verse, that is another thing he is good at.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

He uses courts up and down the country, who don't have the time to compare notes.

You really think the defence teams wouldn't bother to find out about the claimant? If there was anything relevant (not just character assassinations) then they would be brought up.

He took a friend of mine to a small claims court in Newport although he lived in Glasgow at the time and that is where the dispute between them took place, and won!! even though he was a 100% wrong.

If he was 100% wrong it's unlikely he would have convinced a Judge that he was right don't you think?

I know you said this is one-sided but we can't all be wrong about this guy as a lot of us have had personal experience of him.

Personal experience, which, with the greatest respect, is unverifiable.


Yes, he may be pursuing petty claims but the fact is they are successful petty claims.

 

[crystal49]

You really think the defence teams wouldn't bother to find out about the claimant? If there was anything relevant (not just character assassinations) then they would be brought up.

If he was 100% wrong it's unlikely he would have convinced a Judge that he was right don't you think?

Personal experience, which, with the greatest respect, is unverifiable.


Yes, he may be pursuing petty claims but the fact is they are successful petty claims.

The way he got away with a successful lawsuit was that my friend didn't even know the case was being heard. Don't ask me how he managed it but, even though she had a lawyer and he didn't, he was able to convince a judge. The first thing she or her lawyer knew about it was when the judgement had gone against her. She didn't stand a chance against him. She could have appealed, but it was costing her more money than he was suing her for. He was claiming legal aid.
I feel anyone who defends this hypochondriac on this site, obviously has had no personal experience of him. Therefore I hope you do come across him and the very best of luck to you when you do.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I feel anyone who defends this hypochondriac on this site, obviously has had no personal experience of him. Therefore I hope you do come across him and the very best of luck to you when you do.

Why would I defend him? I don't even know the person. I'm just pointing out that to the people who don't know him, this is starting to look like a very nasty personal campaign, against each other, on both sides.

 

[RJ]

This guy certainly does have specialist railway knowledge - how many people knew that tickets of that value could be purchased with a company cheque with no guarantee card?

I've worked in a ticket office and to be honest, the way things are, the railway leaves itself wide open to fraud in numerous ways for anyone who does a bit of homework :roll:

 

[crystal49]

Why would I defend him? I don't even know the person. I'm just pointing out that to the people who don't know him, this is starting to look like a very nasty personal campaign, against each other, on both sides.

Well this didn't start out as a personal vendetta, I only wanted to warn those unfortunate enough to have to deal with him just how dangerous he can be.
I will back off now as I know, to anyone who doesn't know him, it can all seem too hard to believe.
So to all those who come into contact with him, just remember, don't poke an angry bear with a jaggy stick!

 

[Cliveblackpool]

Originally Posted by Tiny Tim
This guy certainly does have specialist railway knowledge - how many people knew that tickets of that value could be purchased with a company cheque with no guarantee card?

I've worked in a ticket office and to be honest, the way things are, the railway leaves itself wide open to fraud in numerous ways for anyone who does a bit of homework :roll:

Limited Company's rarely/ never have guarantee cards for cheques.
Normally need to be passed by a manager (Store, supplier, railway etc)

 

[tgsh2011]

I can't say I know much about this guy or the finer details of the railways; however, in my "day job" I deal with litigation on a daily basis.

Vexatious Litigant: - as someone else has pointed out a person can only be declared one of these if (and only if) the Attorney General has made an Application to the High Court. The test is that the subject has brought multiple claims totally devoid of merit. If granted the subject's name is put on a register and the subject must seek permission from a High Court Judge before taking any step in civil litigation. Naturally this is a tough test (bear in mind Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which inter alia grants a right of access to the Courts). A lesser from of restraint is an "all proceedings" order, usually imposed by a judge when a litigant has issued application after application within proceedings (again totally devoid of merit). This requires the permission of the Court to issue another application.

The "problem" here is that it is apparent this gentleman has succeeded with his various law suits. Now, this could be because he won "on the merits". More likely than not it is down to the Defendants either failing to reply (default judgment) or settling on an economic basis without admission of liability. My point being that unless Defendants take on this individual (assuming they have a Defence) then this guy will sue, sue, and sue again.

As for the Cheque Guarantee Card point, well they don't exist for anyone anymore. Limited Companies never have cheque guarantee cards (even when they existed) and the TOCs and TFL accepted them; however, I always thought they were put through Transax (an independent verification/guarantee company). Certainly on the (rare) occasions I have had need to use a Ltd Company Cheque for travel purposes they have always been verified.

 

[Flamingo]

Well this didn't start out as a personal vendetta, I only wanted to warn those unfortunate enough to have to deal with him just how dangerous he can be.
I will back off now as I know, to anyone who doesn't know him, it can all seem too hard to believe.
So to all those who come into contact with him, just remember, don't poke an angry bear with a jaggy stick!

He makes a great effort to come across as personable. I would guess he would be most annoyed at being flagged up.

And as regards poking him with a stick, personally I wouldn't touch him with a 40 foot pole!
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I found this site whilst googling Peter Young. I do that at times to see what else he is up to. I see he has been caught defrauding the railway. That doesn't surprise me in the least. I also see that he was to be jailed on April 2nd. Well, he is still around. Seems the judge has believed his lies.
I know this fraudster so well and wonder how he can still be walking around (albeit on his fake crutches or having a wee slip of a girl push his enormous bulk in a wheelchair). I would be interested to know how he has got off with been sentenced.

Has anybody any information about what happened to him on April 2nd? Google is not turning up anything.

 

[crystal49]

Has anybody any information about what happened to him on April 2nd? Google is not turning up anything.[/QUOTE]

He was most definitely in Glasgow on 2nd April. He must have played the sickness card again.

 

[syorksdeano]

Evidence that a Criminal Offence is likely to follow if the injunction wasn't put in place to prevent it,

Now I would have said that given his convictions that if an injunction wasn't put in place, then he would carry on what he is doing knowing full well that he can and will get away with it until someone finally puts a stop to it

Evidence to assure the Judge that the Person concerned presents a real hazard to the lawful pursuit of the Applicant (the TOC operating the station).

Again I would say that he presents a real hazard to the lawful pursuit of the applicant. He is the one defrauding the TOC and it could be said that if a revenue protection officer was to stop him, that false information could be given. He is already giving false information by using the company cheques

 

[Flamingo]

Has anybody any information about what happened to him on April 2nd? Google is not turning up anything.

He was most definitely in Glasgow on 2nd April. He must have played the sickness card again.

Judges don't usually swallow that crap.

 

[crystal49]

Judges don't usually swallow that crap.

I'm just back from Glasgow and seen him. He walks with 2 crutches, neither of which touches the ground. He can go at some pace. His new addition is an earpiece for his mobile to leave his hands free for the crutches. Mentioning his mobile, he is on it constantly with the loudest voice you have ever heard, something tells me he has another wee company on the go. I was just thinking what a great benefits system this country's got and with him getting away with fraud, it makes you proud to be British!

 

[reb0118]

Is the the same Peter Young who is unfit to stand trial for a 220 m fraud case? Seems he's a crossdresser too! :roll:

 

[Bedpan]

I don't think it can be, because the one who is a crossdresser and prefers to be known as Beth was reported in December 2000 as being 42 (so 53 now) whilst the one who is the subject of this thread is reported as being only 30.

 

[Flamingo]

I'm just back from Glasgow and seen him. He walks with 2 crutches, neither of which touches the ground. He can go at some pace. His new addition is an earpiece for his mobile to leave his hands free for the crutches. Mentioning his mobile, he is on it constantly with the loudest voice you have ever heard, something tells me he has another wee company on the go. I was just thinking what a great benefits system this country's got and with him getting away with fraud, it makes you proud to be British!

Well, the one thing that I find reassuring about that is that he is in Glasgow, and not on my patch!

 

[tgsh2011]

Judges don't usually swallow that crap.

I guess you don't have much experience of our Court system I refer the Rt Hon Gentleman to the case of the former "Honourable" Lady for Luton South at Southwark Crown Court yesterday lol!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I guess you don't have much experience of our Court system I refer the Rt Hon Gentleman to the case of the former "Honourable" Lady for Luton South at Southwark Crown Court yesterday lol!

We have rules in this country, one of which being that you don't prosecute people who are mentally unfit to do so. That MP has been judged by an independent doctor to be unfit, so we do not prosecute her until such time as she is fit to stand trial.