Are there any Northern DMUs locked to a particular route

[Tim R-T-C]

Hi folks,

I am trying to clear the Northern multiple units this year (which for me means getting photographs of the lot of them) and while obviously the EMUs are currently locked to the Manchester commuter and Skipton - Doncaster routes, I was just wondering if any of the diesel units are stuck working a particular route, or do they generally move around quite freely?

Thanks.

 

[Manchester77]

156s and 150s are the only trains permitted up to Buxton. 142+142 combos tend to be found on the Southport - Airport services.

 

[Starmill]

You will find very, very little is locked. In the vast majority of cases you get what you're given and you don't know until it turns up!

BUT, usually:

Leeds - Nottingham services
Blackpool - York services
Leeds - Carlisle services
and any Northern service to/from Scarbrough

will be 158s.

I have never ever seen anything but a 142 on the Hope Valley stopper.

I think Barton-on-Humber is almost always a 153?

 

[Tracked]

333's to Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford - Leeds (but not Doncaster)
150's sometimes do the Hope Valley, caught one last October, seen them on it a few times since
156's to Whitby?

 

[Boothby97]

I think Barton-on-Humber is almost always a 153?

Yes, it is. Even the 0600 Cleethorpes-Barton and 0658 Barton-Grimsby are now a 153 (used to be a 185, with the 0658 originally going through to Cleethorpes)

 

[Tetchytyke]

333's to Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford - Leeds (but not Doncaster)
150's sometimes do the Hope Valley, caught one last October, seen them on it a few times since
156's to Whitby?

333s can end up on Doncasters every now and again, though less so now there are the 322s. The 321s and 322s also do various diagrams on Skipton/Ilkley/Bradfords.

It's always a 156 to Whitby, because of the schools traffic.

 

[Manchester77]

There's pretty much always a 153 stabled in Manchester Victoria next to the metrolink tracks

 

[Buttsy]

I think only 156s can be used on the Cumbrian coast line, but I stand to be corrected.

 

[sprinterguy]

I think only 156s can be used on the Cumbrian coast line, but I stand to be corrected.

Nope, 153s have also been regular traction on the line since their introduction, and class 142 Pacers have also been used along the full length of the route over the years.

 

[Buttsy]

Nope, 153s have also been regular traction on the line since their introduction, and class 142 Pacers have also been used along the full length of the route over the years.

Fairly dos

 

[Strathclyder]

It's always a 156 to Whitby, because of the schools traffic.

I could have sworn I saw a 142 at Whitby when I was there on holiday back in the summer of 2011. Not sure if they are regulars there, though.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I could have sworn I saw a 142 at Whitby when I was there on holiday back in the summer of 2011. Not sure if they are regulars there, though.

Weekends sometimes chuck up a Pacer.

Before they were refurbished (reducing the seating capacity) it was always a 3-car 144, but on schooldays now it has to be a 156 so that all the schoolkids get a seat.

 

[DarloRich]

I have been down the Esk Valley line on 142/143/144/153/156 although most often now the services are run by 156

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The weekdays-only 'extra' on the Penistone line that runs through from Leeds (dep. HUD @1822) seems to be a 3-car 144 about 95% of the time. The Huddersfield-Wakefield shuttle is nearly always 1x153 and 1x142. In 3 years living in Ormskirk I never saw anything other than a 153 or 142 on Preston services, though I understand 150s are slightly more common there these days.

 

[L+Y]

In 3 years living in Ormskirk I never saw anything other than a 153 or 142 on Preston services, though I understand 150s are slightly more common there these days.

It's now generally a 142 Mon-Fri and a 153 on Saturdays. 150s quite often turn up on the last couple of diagrams of the night, and 156s are not unknown: appearing two or three times a year. 158s are, I believe, banned from the line.

 

[Philip]

The opposite way round - I've never seen a Northern 158 working anything out of Piccadilly, even though theoretically it would be possible on Hazel Grove to Preston for example if the Victoria or Blackpool crew work it all the way. I've never seen 158s on any of the services going west out of Victoria, apart from the late evening Blackpool services which are booked for a 158, presumably for stock movement or traction knowledge purposes?

The Piccadilly to Crewe via Airport trains are solid 323s. Alderley Edge shuttles and Crewe via Stockport seem to be lower on the priority list to have the booked traction, DMUs were quite a common sight on both of these a couple of years back when there was a 323 shortage.

 

[Darandio]

It's always a 156 to Whitby, because of the schools traffic.

Unless there has been an issue, then a 142 can turn up on a weekday, but it is very rare.

 

[northwichcat]

The opposite way round - I've never seen a Northern 158 working anything out of Piccadilly

In the very early days of the Northern franchise 158s did still appear on Liverpool, Blackpool and Chester services out of Piccadilly but that didn't last long as Northern moved the FNW 158s to Neville Hill and based all the additional 158s they acquired to Neville Hill.
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It's always a 156 to Whitby, because of the schools traffic.

Other people have pointed out this isn't correct. If Whitby was guaranteed a 156 for that reason that it would be much better off than a lot of the Manchester area routes where you can get a three figure number of schoolkids rammed on to a 142 or a 150 before you consider the other passengers.

 

[northernchris]

155s mainly work the Calder Valley and Leeds - Knaresborough routes although think there's at least 1 Saturday diagram which sees them working the Leeds - Huddersfield - Leeds - Manchester Victoria via Brighouse services

 

[Nick Harling]

Liverpool-Blackpool are usually a 156
Colne-Blackpool South usually a 142
Clitheroe-Manchester usually a 150

 

[61653 HTAFC]

155s mainly work the Calder Valley and Leeds - Knaresborough routes although think there's at least 1 Saturday diagram which sees them working the Leeds - Huddersfield - Leeds - Manchester Victoria via Brighouse services

I've seen them crop up on Huddersfield stoppers during the week, and occasionally on Knottingley turns too.

 

[Bevan Price]

To add to others' posts, Class 156 occasionally appear on Hope Valley stoppers, and I have had a 158 on Huddersfield - Barnsley - Sheffield.
In my occasional visits in the past couple of years, Scarborough - Hull - Doncaster / Sheffield services have been entirely worked by 158s.

 

[theageofthetra]

Do the units on the Gospel Oak - Barking LO line ever stray?

 

[Manchester77]

Do the units on the Gospel Oak - Barking LO line ever stray?

What up north? Defiantly not, don't really stray off the route they operate on LO unless they're going back to Willesden TMD

 

[Starmill]

The Huddersfield-Wakefield shuttle is nearly always 1x153 and 1x142.

Except that this morning it was a single 150, the two times before that I used it it was a 158 and I have alse ridden it as a single 153 and a single 142 and a singly 144.... see what I mean about typical Northern!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

It was the case a couple of years back, and it might well have changed since, but the first northbound train SO between Sheffield and York via Pontefract Baghill is the only one booked a 158 - all other services are 142s.

 

[Starmill]

Unfortunately, the best conclusion I think we can draw is that the answer to the OPs question is quite simply; no.

No matter the rule you come up with there will be an example to break it!

 

[RichmondCommu]

I have never ever seen anything but a 142 on the Hope Valley stopper.

That must be a horrible journey in winter!

 

[hairyhandedfool]

....Colne-Blackpool South usually a 142....

I don't get to that line very often, but I have only ever seen 150s on it.

...Clitheroe-Manchester usually a 150

One diagram is supposed to be 150/1+153 all day, but I have seen it run without the 153.

 

[Marton]

In the very early days of the Northern franchise 158s did still appear on Liverpool, Blackpool and Chester services out of Piccadilly but that didn't last long as Northern moved the FNW 158s to Neville Hill and based all the additional 158s they acquired to Neville Hill.
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Other people have pointed out this isn't correct. If Whitby was guaranteed a 156 for that reason that it would be much better off than a lot of the Manchester area routes where you can get a three figure number of schoolkids rammed on to a 142 or a 150 before you consider the other passengers.

I think the Esk Valley is a bit different to urban areas and the arrangements with the council I hear require a seat for every child.

Without the school the like would be empty much of the year. Major work always takes place in half terms.

It is a 156 year round unless there is a problem but sometimes with a 142 tagged on to the Battersby end.


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