Yes they absolutely were within their rights.
I don't believe any railway employee has the right to confiscate any item of weared clothing or any other private property.
Yes they absolutely were within their rights.
I don't believe any railway employee has the right to confiscate any item of weared clothing or any other private property.
It depends what the OP was doing whilst wearing it!but I think calling the police to get it confiscated is a little far fetched (unless of course it was the fashion police that attended)
There certainly would be grounds for confusion, as others have said, the virgin trains brand has stuck in peoples minds, they haven't operated trains in Devon since 2007 but people still refer to voyagers as "Virgin trains",
I don’t know why anyone would want to wear anything resembling a work uniform on the railway or anywhere else: it’s just not worth the hassle involved. I used to have a red logo-less short-sleeved polo shirt but stopped wearing it outdoors after various people in the street stopped me to ask for directions, about missing parcels, etc., thinking that I worked for Royal Mail!
If someone was just going home on the next train wearing a vt uniform they are unlikely to have been stopped let's be honest. Spending a considerable amount of time on the platform would have probably meant they would have been stoppedIt depends what the OP was doing whilst wearing it!
Did you get a tip?That’s funny - about 20 years ago I had a red and white striped short-sleeved shirt and was crossing platforms at Crewe when a man of about 65 asked me to carry his suitcase over the bridge. I thought nothing of helping somebody who was probably a visitor to this country, except a few minutes later it occurred to me that it didn’t look totally dissimilar to the shirts that Virgin staff had at the time.
Just for the record, I wouldn’t have passed a second glance - the red stripes were about twice as wide, the shirt was frayed cotton and I was certainly wearing jeans and probably trainers too!
So why threaten to do so?The staff member could not confiscate the jacket. That would be classed as theft.
Possibly just being a bit overzealous, but we don't know everything about the situation.So why threaten to do so?
Don't staff have any training regarding what they can and cannot do? Being a bit overzealous can land you in a spot of bother.Possibly just being a bit overzealous, but we don't know everything about the situation.
It’s not that daft, in many other countries railstaff don’t wear formal attire. It’s not abnormal in countries like Italy, France or Ukraine to see non-customer facing staff wearing trainers and jeans while on duty.Just for the record, I wouldn’t have passed a second glance - the red stripes were about twice as wide, the shirt was frayed cotton and I was certainly wearing jeans and probably trainers too!
Virgin Trains East coast is definitely NOT 10 years old as it started in 2015 and ended only a couple of years ago.This is not strictly speaking true and title is not determinative for the purposes of the theft offence in any event (cf. Turner).
And if the age of the item is correct (over ten years, I believe was stated upthread) then it seems unlikely that LNER (as successor to Virgin Trains East Coast) has any title to it at all.
I agree with this. I am myself autistic and would love to work on the railways even voluntarily but would never stoop to something like this. autism and a love of railways does seem to go hand in hand.It appeals to some people on the autistic spectrum who desperately want to work on the railway, but can't because their autism prevents it. This has often occurred, and there's mention of it in this thread.
It's a classic special interest for autistic people, as it very much is in my case.I agree with this. I am myself autistic and would love to work on the railways even voluntarily but would never stoop to something like this. autism and a love of railways does seem to go hand in hand.
If you wear a suit in a supermarket then customers nearly always assume you are the manager and ask you questions!
I once wore a dark blue suit, white shirt and red tie to a very large Tesco. I can vouch for this big time. Half way through the shop I took my tie off. It was very irritating.
I once wore a dark blue suit, white shirt and red tie to a very large Tesco. I can vouch for this big time. Half way through the shop I took my tie off. It was very irritating.
My disguise wasn’t that good.Did you get staff discount?
There are lots of clips on YouTube of people remonstrating with "staff", saying they'll get them fired for their poor customer service when the hapless "victim" doesn't even work there.I don’t mind people who ask “do you work here?”, however the ones who launch straight in with unpleasantness really get my back up. In a railway setting AFAIAC the latter types are fair game to be sent on a magical mystery tour, perhaps teaching them a bit of life experience.
Let’s review the information provided:Virgin Trains East coast is definitely NOT 10 years old as it started in 2015 and ended only a couple of years ago.
I was at doncaster station just today, wearing a (very) old Virgin Trains jacket.
The item in question is both (at least) 10 years old and no longer in use.
So, we have:The TOC it belongs to ceased trading 18 months ago
They had a common (give or take ) uniform though.Let’s review the information provided:
Since Virgin Trains East Coast ceased operations three years ago, this leads us to the inexorable conclusion that the item of clothing is from Virgin Trains [West Coast] and, as such, nothing to do with LNER.
Not prior to 2017: press release regarding introduction of new uniformThey had a common (give or take ) uniform though.
I used to wear a yellow, white and blue brightly coloured Helly Hansen coat many years ago. I remember standing on the platform at Harrow On The Hill LUL station waiting for a train home when a guy came up to me and started asking me questions about how to get a certain train. Despite me explaing that I didn’t work for LUL he just wasn’t listening and kept asking the same questions. Eventually I got quite short with him and he got the message, finally…..but I can see how wearing old uniform could lead to confusion.There are lots of clips on YouTube of people remonstrating with "staff", saying they'll get them fired for their poor customer service when the hapless "victim" doesn't even work there.
Railway Byelaws said:2. Potentially dangerous items
1. except with written permission from an operator or an authorised person, no person shall bring with him or allow to remain on the railway any item which, in the opinion of an authorised person, may threaten, annoy, soil or damage any person or any property
2. if any person in charge of an item contrary to Byelaw 2(1) is asked by an authorised person to remove it and fails to do so immediately, it may be removed by or under the direction of an authorised person.
Railway Byelaws said:25. 2. Introduction, table of contents and headings
The introduction, table of contents and headings used in these byelaws are for assistance only and are not to be considered as part of these byelaws for the purpose of interpretation.