Baroness Thatcher has died

[Mutant Lemming]

I can remember the coal mining industry in this Country being unable to compete with the cheap coal available on the global market!

Is that what you mean?

You mean when they adopted a 'free market' economy for this country that had to compete with state subsidised Australian coal and Communist state produced Polish coal?
A free market is fine if everyone else adopted a free market approach. All the other nations undercut and sold here while protecting their own markets
I make no apologies for celebrating the hag's death. She can NEVER be considered patriotic - her misguided beliefs sold this country off to the highest bidder and have divided it's populace probably forever.
I'm off out for a celebration drink. Three Cheers the hag is dead.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Good riddance to one of the most destructive and divisive leaders this country has ever seen.

Suddenly Britain has become a little bit better and Hell just got a little more crowded.

she's only been in hell half a day and apparently she's closed 4 furnaces already.

her family have announced she will have a privatised funeral.

 

[SS4]

You mean when they adopted a 'free market' economy for this country that had to compete with state subsidised Australian coal and Communist state produced Polish coal?
A free market is fine if everyone else adopted a free market approach. All the other nations undercut and sold here while protecting their own markets
I make no apologies for celebrating the hag's death. She can NEVER be considered patriotic - her misguided beliefs sold this country off to the highest bidder and have divided it's populace probably forever.
I'm off out for a celebration drink. Three Cheers the hag is dead.

It lasts to this day, you need not look further than the press coverage about welfare and playing the working poor off against the unemployed whilst the rich run off with all our money

 

[table38]

wonderful remark from someone whose strapline is "criminally insane".

Is it though?

 

[87015]

This is a good read if you are nto too busy telling others how they should behave; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette

 

[12CSVT]

I certainly won't be shedding any tears.

She had no compassion for the 96 who died at Hillsborough, or the mining communities she and her cronies destroyed.

 

[David Barrett]

It should not be unexpected that some are openly celebrating her passing, this in itself is a product of an era, an era in which society was broken into uncontrolable and wilful factions where a pitiless disregard for other's welfare or feelings became commonplace, as long as you got what you wanted all must well with the world, an era in which a general coarsening of attitudes was presided over by a laissez faire government of malign intent. The only thing that shocks me about this is that some profess to be shocked by the very nature of a public display of joy over an individual's demise.

What an indictment of the leadership of a former Prime Minister.

 

[wintonian]

It lasts to this day, you need not look further than the press coverage about welfare and playing the working poor off against the unemployed whilst the rich run off with all our money

Very astute there, however lets not forget that Adam Smith with his work; 'An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations', (along with other theories) started it all in 1776!

 

[SS4]

This is a good read if you are nto too busy telling others how they should behave; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette

Indeed, by suppressing dissent one creates an entirely positive legacy which may or may not be deserved. It's very obvious in the case of Churchill.

 

[table38]

What seems odd then, if she was as evil as people are trying to portray her, is how she managed to get re-elected twice.

And why the subsequent Labour government could only make themselves electable by becoming almost indistinguishable from the Tory government they replaced?

 

[wintonian]

What seems odd then, if she was as evil as people are trying to portray her, is how she managed to get re-elected twice.

And why the subsequent Labour government could only make themselves electable by becoming almost indistinguishable from the Tory government they replaced?

Because the economic theories of John Maynard Keynes spectacularly failed and the neoliberalism (and thus the Chicago School of economics monetarism theory) being spouted by some in the tory party was the only alternative at the time. Instead of emphasising social responsibility political thinking moved to a non-interventionist footing, where the state should only get involved in certain circumstances like the prevention & eradication of disease and matters of defence, effectivly returning to the economics of Adam smith, albeit with a modern twist.

Personally I think the failings of Keynesian economics could have been fixed rather than completely scrapping it.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

What seems odd then, if she was as evil as people are trying to portray her, is how she managed to get re-elected twice.

And why the subsequent Labour government could only make themselves electable by becoming almost indistinguishable from the Tory government they replaced?

No one is denying that she wasn't popular amongst the electorate, or at least popular enough to win a majority in the commons after her war (she was unpopular before that)...it's just that she divided the electorate like no one has done before or after...and she bought votes by offering temporary wealth (all the sell offs etc) that have caused much of the problems of today.
I agree that Blair was Thatcher's heir.

 

[burneside]

No one is denying that she wasn't popular amongst the electorate, or at least popular enough to win a majority in the commons after her war (she was unpopular before that)...

I thought it was General Galtieri's war.

 

[Trog]

all that shows is there as a falling demand for coal. It does not show how or why viable and profitable pits were destroyed .........

Hello falling demand for coal, = less coal needed, = less mines needed, = pit closures. :roll:

Unless you think we should carry on digging the stuff out, then store it somewhere just in case we ever need it. Perhaps we could dig a hole and bury it?

 

[Railsigns]

Perhaps we could dig a hole and bury it?

What, the coal or Thatcher?

 

[DarloRich]

Hello falling demand for coal, = less coal needed, = less mines needed, = pit closures. :roll:

Unless you think we should carry on digging the stuff out, then store it somewhere just in case we ever need it. Perhaps we could dig a hole and bury it?

falling demand for industrial and domestic use. There was and remains a vast demand for coal for electrical generation.

This clearly leads to a reduced number of mines. It does not lead to a total and utter destruction of an an entire industry and communities of people.

But hey, lets not worry about the actual people because the statistics show that it was all OK and in everyone's best interests. Well obviously apart form the poor sods thrown out of work, but they dont really count do they? Terrible manual labour types after all.

 

[swj99]

Margaret Thatcher's death greeted with street parties in Brixton and Glasgow

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-party-brixton-glasgow

Margaret Thatcher Dead: Parties To Celebrate Former PM's Passing

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/08/margaret-thatcher-dead-parties_n_3039028.html

 

[bb21]

This is a good read if you are nto too busy telling others how they should behave; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette

But this guy is seriously missing the point. She should be left to die in peace at this particular point in time, not to be regarded as a saint forever. Once this moment has passed, carry on with whatever criticism one may have of her. Very bad taste jumping up and down in joy over someone's death the very moment and I have no respect for those doing so in places like Glasgow. I doubt any of us would want the same to happen to us at our own death.

As I said, she has after all served this country and the population faithfully for 11 years. The country, for all the ills we have nowadays, a large majority of which attributable to society's evolvement in general across the world, was in a much stronger position on the world stage at the end of her rein compared to the 70s, and for that she has credibility for her time in office.

As already pointed out, you will not find another modern-day British politician as well known and respected on the world stage as Thatcher. There is a reason for it.

 

[soil]

No Labour leader has been so divisive in policy.

Blair priced every 'key worker' out of London and established the conditions under which they would be evicted from their (Labour-constructed) estates.

Not only that, but he allowed so much immigration that in traditional London areas like Newham and Barking, the majority of the white British population left, in the space of a decade.

While employment prospects in former northern industrial areas are not great, on a minimum wage job with tax credits (over £10k/year with children), you can buy a 3-bed terrace house.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-41118035.html

Try that in Brixton where the dribbling idiots above are apparently partying.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-36986956.html

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

I thought it was General Galtieri's war.

He led the invasion of the Falklands, yes, but Thatchers govt removed the 'Endurance' from South Atlantic waters thus signalling that the UK wasn't too bothered about the Falklands.

 

[DarloRich]

As I said, she has after all served this country and the population faithfully for 11 years. The country, for all the ills we have nowadays, a large majority of which attributable to society's evolvement in general across the world, was in a much stronger position on the world stage at the end of her rein compared to the 70s, and for that she has credibility for her time in office.

She didn't serve the bit of the country I lived in very well.
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I have no respect for those doing so in places like Glasgow. I doubt any of us would want the same to happen to us at our own death.

If you cant understand why some people might not consider Saint Margret of Finchley to be the best thing to have ever happened to this country you have lived a very sheltered life.

but then I guess you didn't suffer like lots of people - I am all right jack though eh.

 

[ainsworth74]

He led the invasion of the Falklands, yes, but Thatchers govt removed the 'Endurance' from South Atlantic waters thus signalling that the UK wasn't too bothered about the Falklands.

I had forgotten that removing Endurance from the South Atlantic was an attempt at provoking Argentina into an attack. Rather than part the wider defence cuts of 1981. Forgive me but that's an incredibly weak argument, suggesting that she set out to create a war in the South Atlantic. It certainly doesn't seem to be backed up by the documentary record.

If you cant understand why some people might not consider Saint Margret of Finchley to be the best thing to have ever happened to this country you have lived a very sheltered life.

I can't understand why anyone thinks it acceptable to be holding a street party to celebrate someone's death. 'I'm all right jack' doesn't come into it.

 

[Trog]

He led the invasion of the Falklands, yes, but Thatchers govt removed the 'Endurance' from South Atlantic waters thus signalling that the UK wasn't too bothered about the Falklands.

Strange then how HMS Endurance was in Stanley Harbour when the Argentines invaded South Georgia, and was sent to investigate. Even stranger for a ship that was not there, her helicopters took part in the attack that crippled the Argentine Submarine Santa Fe.

But don't let the truth stop you exaggerating things to suit your political views.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

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As already pointed out, you will not find another modern-day British politician as well known and respected on the world stage as Thatcher. There is a reason for it.

....you will also not find a modern British politician so hated by the British public. there is a reason for that too.

In keeping with tory spirit not one penny of public money should be wasted on this funeral.

 

[soil]

....you will also not find a modern British politician so hated by the British public. there is a reason for that too.

In keeping with tory spirit not one penny of public money should be wasted on this funeral.

? The Tories spend very large amounts of public money.

 

[DarloRich]

Strange then how HMS Endurance was in Stanley Harbour when the Argentines invaded South Georgia, and was sent to investigate. Even stranger for a ship that was not there, her helicopters took part in the attack that crippled the Argentine Submarine Santa Fe.

But don't let the truth stop you exaggerating things to suit your political views.

The announcement of the withdrawal of HMS Endurance ( and the lack of a submarine in the area - it was this submarine that stopped the Argentine in their tracks in the late 70's) acted as the final catalyst for the invasion. it was part of the wider defense review rather than some Machiavellian plan to create a war!

As you say the Endurance was involved in the conflict. Much as i detest her with a passion she was right to defend British people from totalitarian invasion. I cant see how any can suggest otherwise.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

? The Tories spend very large amounts of public money.

I did say spirit rather than reality - shows even I am taken in by their lies at times

 

[DarloRich]

I can't understand why anyone thinks it acceptable to be holding a street party to celebrate someone's death. 'I'm all right jack' doesn't come into it.

I think you need to look at why people feel like this. I tihnk it is distasteful but i cant blame anyone for doing it.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

I think you need to look at why people feel like this. I tihnk it is distasteful but i cant blame anyone for doing it.

Tens of Thousands of people not only lost their livliehoods but were blacklisted making it impossible for them to find alternative employment. Others got their heads busted by anonymous out of town police squads.
People who lost their loved ones were lied about and villified in the press and it took two decades before the truth emerged.
People who done alright under Thatcher never do understand.....

Too Damn Right we are going to celebrate.

 

[swj99]

I can't understand why anyone thinks it acceptable to be holding a street party to celebrate someone's death. .......

I woudn't have wished death on her, but having grown up in the north west and seen at first hand some of the social decay which set in during her term of office, I do understand why she was so hated by some.