British Transport Police - Rail Enthusiasts

[GB]

Either 999 for emergencies or 0800 40 50 40 for non emergencies... or failing those, use the call points on the platforms. Not sure why we need a scheme to remember or report such things.

 

[stockport1]

Wow. what a strange posting -" look at me I am never in trouble or do wrong so keep away or else".

I would love to be there when the sniffer dog gets to you and you get questioned, expect you will act a bit different then.

As for the app suggestion we do not all have an all singing/all dancing phone (some do not even have a mobile) so although for some it would be a good idea it does not work for all - unless of course they give me an I-phone or Android phone.

My worry with the scheme is that some jumped up toss pot will have one of these things around is neck and will try and boss around those of us do not have one.

actually i do not behave differently when stopped.
i have a claim of right to stand under the common law only.

"are you detaining me?"

followed by

"am i free to go?"

usually works quite well to keep the banks revenue collectors (police) away.
these thugs intimidate (sorry...make us feel safe) when we arrive at main stations. why not go catch some thieves and muggers??

 

[the sniper]

Good god I hope not! I wouldn't call BTP anymore, it would be like that vigilante sceen in the Simpsons where the guns keep going off! Think ill take my chances with the ruffians instead. At least the only have planks of wood with nails in them.

Don't be ridiculous. They'll be trained to exactly the same standard as Home Office police officers. Counter to what Guardian readers might like think, the police aren't gung-ho at all. In England and Wales between 2009 and 2010, firearms were only discharged by firearms officers on 6 occasions, this was up by one incident on the 2008 - '09 period.

actually i do not behave differently when stopped.
i have a claim of right to stand under the common law only.

As soon as I saw your last post, I immediately recognised you as a 'Freeman'.

"are you detaining me?"

followed by

"am i free to go?"

usually works quite well to keep the banks revenue collectors (police) away.
these thugs intimidate (sorry...make us feel safe) when we arrive at main stations. why not go catch some thieves and muggers??

I'm not going to get into a discussion over this, as Freemen like yourself believe whatever they like, but you could end up finding yourself being considerably inconvenienced if you go about this course of action as things probably won't go as you predict above.

If your stopped by an officer with a drugs dog who's dog has been attracted by your aroma, the officer will have reasonable grounds to suspect that you are in possession of a controlled drug, this means that they can and most probably will detain you for the purposes of a search. If you don't comply you can be handcuffed and reasonable force used to search you, or if your particularly non-compliant you can be arrested under Section 23 Part 4(a) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, in which case you'll be fully searched anyway.

On your last paragraph, you just show your ignorance for what the police actually do and their intentions. You blatantly don't know any police officers personally and don't care to understand the work that the police do. Fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, but don't peddle your irrationality as though it's fact.

 

[465fan]

I am a Sergeant with the British Transport Police; I would be interested in the thoughts and opinions of forum members on this topic and would welcome responses as it would be very helpful at this stage.

The British Transport Police is looking to pilot a new scheme on the rail network called Railway Watch based around the North London Hub stations and covering the network out from London.

This scheme is intended to be similar to those already running at the major UK Airports and centres on Rail Enthusiasts becoming members of the scheme and helping to combat terrorism and crime on the rail network by raising awareness and reporting suspicious activity. Members would have a distinctive ID card on a lanyard with the idea that this would show Station Staff and Police that the holder was a member of the scheme while on the railway.

I recognise that the Rail Enthusiast community is well placed to notice such activity and as a group, understand the railway and are committed to its safe running. I see this scheme as a unique opportunity for Rail Enthusiasts to become part of the wider Rail family and to be recognised as the valuable resource they are when taking part in their lawful hobby.

Do you see this as a good idea and would you want to become a member?

I would appreciate your views on this scheme and would be pleased to answer any questions you have about Railway Watch, I am currently on shift and will aim to answer all posts at the earliest opportunity.

Where do I sign?!

 

[stockport1]

Don't be ridiculous. They'll be trained to exactly the same standard as Home Office police officers. Counter to what Guardian readers might like think, the police aren't gung-ho at all. In England and Wales between 2009 and 2010, firearms were only discharged by firearms officers on 6 occasions, this was up by one incident on the 2008 - '09 period.



As soon as I saw your last post, I immediately recognised you as a 'Freeman'.



I'm not going to get into a discussion over this, as Freemen like yourself believe whatever they like, but you could end up finding yourself being considerably inconvenienced if you go about this course of action as things probably won't go as you predict above.

If your stopped by an officer with a drugs dog who's dog has been attracted by your aroma, the officer will have reasonable grounds to suspect that you are in possession of a controlled drug, this means that they can and most probably will detain you for the purposes of a search. If you don't comply you can be handcuffed and reasonable force used to search you, or if your particularly non-compliant you can be arrested under Section 23 Part 4(a) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, in which case you'll be fully searched anyway.

On your last paragraph, you just show your ignorance for what the police actually do and their intentions. You blatantly don't know any police officers personally and don't care to understand the work that the police do. Fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, but don't peddle your irrationality as though it's fact.

yes the act of parliment that is NOT the law of the land..common law.

i am not ignorant. i would empty my pockets BUT it would be under protest and duress. i would sign nothing and make it clear my consent was not given.

the whole point is to make the police AWARE of what they are doing and that it is UNLAWFUL .although .not ILLEGAL. (legality requires a contract or consent) and force the tyranny into the open.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

yes the act of parliment that is NOT the law of the land..common law.

i am not ignorant. i would empty my pockets BUT it would be under protest and duress. i would sign nothing and make it clear my consent was not given.

the whole point is to make the police AWARE of what they are doing and that it is UNLAWFUL .although .not ILLEGAL. (legality requires a contract or consent) and force the tyranny into the open.

There honestly isn't another word for that post other than rubbish. Acts of Parliament ARE laws of the land. I couldn't care less if you don't give your consent to be punished - the fact is you are, you did wrong. If the police are doing something unlawful then it is illegal. If it is not illegal (as you admit) then it cannot be unlawful. Legality does not require a contract or consent from yourself.

 

[Old Timer]

Paranoia and aggressive behaviour can be the result of the misuse of drugs and are medical warning signs which would support a decision to screen in the workplace.

 

[CliveJones]

Don't be ridiculous. They'll be trained to exactly the same standard as Home Office police officers. Counter to what Guardian readers might like think, the police aren't gung-ho at all. In England and Wales between 2009 and 2010, firearms were only discharged by firearms officers on 6 occasions, this was up by one incident on the 2008 - '09 period

Fantastic! And when will they be trained to the same standard as civilian police in all other areas of police work?

 

[Flamingo]

Fantastic! And when will they be trained to the same standard as civilian police in all other areas of police work?

They are civilian police, the same as all other police. :roll:

 

[aspierail]

I think its an excellent idea and given that i live in North London its something i would like to be involved in.

 

[CrackBerry]

They are civilian police, the same as all other police. :roll:

Apart from Military police of course...

 

[Flamingo]

Apart from Military police of course...

No, they are a branch of the Primate family