Class 67 duties and usage

[IanXC]

I was wondering if anyone could help to clarify what the 30 67s are up to these days. As I understand it there are a couple of different physical specifications:

- Remote fire equipment for working with 82/3 DVTs, 012-015 (CH), 029 (DBS Exec Train), presumably 001 and 003 for ATW?
- Cast iron brake blocks for Fort William sleeper 4 including 67004

Plus a number of liveries:

- 001 and 003 in Arriva Trains Wales livery
- 012-015 in Chiltern(/WSMR) Silver
- 005 and 006 in Claret for the Royal Train
- 018 in Canadian National Red

I wonder if there are any more variations and what the usual usage of the fleet it?

Also any reason that, as ScotRail have 90s in their livery, there are not 67s in ScotRail livery?

thanks!

 

[142094]

Add to that the DB Shenker ones that are used for thunderbirds on the ECML.

 

[150222]

They are all DB Shenker! Some are subleased to ATW and Chiltern respectively.

 

[TGVDUDE]

Think I've seen photos of 67s on the organge rmc wagons up and down the wcml, also get used on enterprise workings, unit drags around London and think one landed on the portbury cartic train

 

[Crossover]

May I ask as to why the Fort William sleeper 67's have cast iron brake blocks and what difference this is to the rest of the class?

 

[Dreadnought]

May I ask as to why the Fort William sleeper 67's have cast iron brake blocks and what difference this is to the rest of the class?

They are restricted to 80mph with cast iron brake blocks.

I believe they were fitted as the 67s used on the Fort William sleeper were suffering from very high brake wear with the normal type of brake block fitted due to the nature of the route.
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- Remote fire equipment for working with 82/3 DVTs, 012-015 (CH), 029 (DBS Exec Train), presumably 001 and 003 for ATW?

- 012-015 in Chiltern(/WSMR) Silver

010 also fitted with remote fire equipment and painted in WSMR silver.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

67004, 67007, 67009, 67011 and 67030 were fitted with cast brakes and RETB equipment. According to thejunction.org 67030 is currently stored (tactical reserve) along with 67010, 67017, 67023 and 67029 (which carries the company train livery (silver)).

 

[Jdrowlands]

That site isn't updated very often, here's the CURRENT 67 tactile reserve pool...


67010 Crewe (awaiting start of repairs)
67017 Crewe (awaiting material)
67018 Crewe (maintainance)
67023 Toton (awaiting material)
67029 Wembley Yard (in service)
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Also any reason that, as ScotRail have 90s in their livery, there are not 67s in ScotRail livery?

Because (other than a couple of car trains), that's the only duty the DBS 90s are regularly used on. With 67s it would be a nightmare trying to get the 'right' 67 in the right place each night.

 

[TDK]

I was wondering if anyone could help to clarify what the 30 67s are up to these days. As I understand it there are a couple of different physical specifications:

- Remote fire equipment for working with 82/3 DVTs, 012-015 (CH), 029 (DBS Exec Train), presumably 001 and 003 for ATW?
- Cast iron brake blocks for Fort William sleeper 4 including 67004

Plus a number of liveries:

- 001 and 003 in Arriva Trains Wales livery
- 012-015 in Chiltern(/WSMR) Silver
- 005 and 006 in Claret for the Royal Train
- 018 in Canadian National Red

I wonder if there are any more variations and what the usual usage of the fleet it?

Also any reason that, as ScotRail have 90s in their livery, there are not 67s in ScotRail livery?

thanks!

010 in WSMR livery

 

[jopsuk]

Because (other than a couple of car trains), that's the only duty the DBS 90s are regularly used on. With 67s it would be a nightmare trying to get the 'right' 67 in the right place each night.

Surely at least the WHL modified ones could be done- do these venture around the rest of the network much? The 90s have ended up in East Anglia (working for National Express) and i think even the Virgin train has had one on from time to time (until FL took that work)

 

[Jdrowlands]

Surely at least the WHL modified ones could be done- do these venture around the rest of the network much?

Yes - a few months ago 030 was a regular on the Orient Express.

 

[Liam]

Because (other than a couple of car trains), that's the only duty the DBS 90s are regularly used on. With 67s it would be a nightmare trying to get the 'right' 67 in the right place each night.

They struggle to get the 'ScotRail' 90's on the sleeper each night. They are often used on the Pretendolino and East Anglia services. I've had one in ScotRail livery on my 9 or 10 sleeper journeys, 90019. The others have been in EWS or RailFreight liveries.

 

[western Champion]

That site isn't updated very often, here's the CURRENT 67 tactile reserve pool...

Guess the tactile reserve pool is for the touchy feely amongst you.

The tactical reserve pool would be for loco's kept in reserve. Lol

 

[83G/84D]

67029 now back in pool WATN at Wembley Yd & 67001 into WNTR pool and due to be moved from Canton to Crewe for C Exam
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67003 at Holyhead with flat batteries!

 

[Jdrowlands]

They struggle to get the 'ScotRail' 90's on the sleeper each night. They are often used on the Pretendolino and East Anglia services. I've had one in ScotRail livery on my 9 or 10 sleeper journeys, 90019. The others have been in EWS or RailFreight liveries.

The Anglia one is currently 90026, now in its own pool (WEGE) specially for those duties.
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67029 now back in pool WATN at Wembley Yd & 67001 into WNTR pool and due to be moved from Canton to Crewe for C Exam
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67003 at Holyhead with flat batteries!

You mean WAAN (DBS General 67) rather than WATN (DBS 67 for hire to ATW!)

 

[IanXC]

Thanks all for the info, all interesting stuff!

Surely at least the WHL modified ones could be done- do these venture around the rest of the network much?

This is the kind of thing I was thinking, one is currently on Fort William and one Inverness so it seems reasonable.

There's also the consideration that 001 and 003 seem lined up for ATW at any given time. Hmm!

 

[TGVDUDE]

Thanks all for the info, all interesting stuff!



This is the kind of thing I was thinking, one is currently on Fort William and one Inverness so it seems reasonable.

There's also the consideration that 001 and 003 seem lined up for ATW at any given time. Hmm!

001 has been used on Driver Training on the Marches & North Wales Coast, ready for the 67/DVT to begin in March

 

[Dreadnought]

67004, 67007, 67009, 67011 and 67030 were fitted with cast brakes and RETB equipment. According to thejunction.org 67030 is currently stored (tactical reserve) along with 67010, 67017, 67023 and 67029 (which carries the company train livery (silver)).

According to the 2012 P5 book 030 is no longer fitted with cast iron brakes, although it does retain RETB equipment.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Seen a few photos of them at peak forest, dont know what workings they do there. My mate goes regularly and sees them most times.

 

[DownSouth]

The trouble with having trains repainted into the livery of a company's client is that it then can become problematic if operational practice or maintenance requirements make it impractical to have those locos on the services hauled for the relevant client. With the increased reliability of modern locos you get lower demands for major maintenance, which in turn allows for concentration of major maintenance at a smaller number of facilities, which in turn means that the locomotives may be out of revenue-earning service for longer periods when major maintenance is scheduled. If a hypothetical Scotrail-liveried Class 67 has to go back to base somewhere in southern England, it would make sense to deploy that loco on other services until there is a good reason to swap them without wasting time and money on a 600km light loco movement.

Here in Australia the operator Pacific National has a contract with Great Southern Railway to provide "hook and pull" duties for GSR's passenger trains, kind of like the deal DBS has with the various clients who use Class 67 haulage. A number of their 119 NR Class locomotives have been repainted in liveries promoting GSR's four passenger trains, and it is a condition that a lower hire fee is paid when a loco with any other livery hauls a GSR train. PN can't win though, because making the GSR hook and pull contract a priority in managing their fleet would cost far more than having the wrong liveries on those GSR trains would.

 

[MK Tom]

Slight bounce from topic but do Chiltern have any plans to put the 67s they use into their own colour scheme? Even if it's just a Chilternised version of WSMR like the mk3s...

 

[Penmorfa]

Seen a few photos of them at peak forest, dont know what workings they do there. My mate goes regularly and sees them most times.

They are regular performers on the Warrington Arpley to Dowlow train which runs two or three days a week.

 

[IanXC]

Slight bounce from topic but do Chiltern have any plans to put the 67s they use into their own colour scheme? Even if it's just a Chilternised version of WSMR like the mk3s...

Seems to be just a debranded version of WSMR livery for 67s and DVTs so far

 

[Crossover]

Seems to be just a debranded version of WSMR livery for 67s and DVTs so far

I think it quite suits really - the Mk 3's though I don't like so much with the lines and stuff Chiltern have added

 

[83G/84D]

The Anglia one is currently 90026, now in its own pool (WEGE) specially for those duties.
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You mean WAAN (DBS General 67) rather than WATN (DBS 67 for hire to ATW!)

It would appear that 67029 may be going short term on hire to ATW as replacement for 67001. It is definately in pool WATN.67029 now at Canton

 

[TGVDUDE]

It would appear that 67029 may be going short term on hire to ATW as replacement for 67001. It is definately in pool WATN.67029 now at Canton

Arrived in Cardiff not long before 18:00 yesterday, running as 0Z84 Crewe IEMD - Canton, anyone know the reason why 001s been placed in the stored WNTR pool at canton?

 

[DesiroDom]

DB Schneker (Spelling?) owns them and there is one acting as Thunderbird at Newcastle on the ECML not sure of the others

 

[33056]

................anyone know the reason why 001s been placed in the stored WNTR pool at canton?

Been sent back to Crewe for a "C Exam" according to the system.

 

[83G/84D]

67029 now back in pool WATN at Wembley Yd & 67001 into WNTR pool and due to be moved from Canton to Crewe for C Exam
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67003 at Holyhead with flat batteries!

As I said a couple of days ago.

 

[stevebj]

anyone know whats happened to 67023 it has gone from the line of 60,s its been in for the last year at toton