Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

[D1053WP]

730035 was paired with 730018 on 2T11 0734 Euston-Tring this morning Tuesday 17th December

and fortunately I am in London tomorrow. Now watch it break down! Many thanks for the info it is very gratefully accepted

 

[Kite159]

I presume the appearance of 730s on some of the evening peak Northampton 'limited stop but gets overtaken' services is due to some 350s being out of action due to flooding?

Still quite good fun at high speed

 

[SCDR_WMR]

7 units down still. No idea when they will be back.

 

[mansonlo49]

I presume the appearance of 730s on some of the evening peak Northampton 'limited stop but gets overtaken' services is due to some 350s being out of action due to flooding?

Still quite good fun at high speed

yes，rode the 730/0 on WCML services before，they quite comfortable to ride on，at least bettrr than those 350/2

 

[Merle Haggard]

I presume the appearance of 730s on some of the evening peak Northampton 'limited stop but gets overtaken' services is due to some 350s being out of action due to flooding?

Still quite good fun at high speed

I'm puzzled; I don't know of any down Northampton services that are timetabled to be overtaken by another one - what are they?

Are the 730/0s not 75 mph max?
As an aside, the internal LNwR maps on 730/0 do not show a route North of Milton Keynes via Northampton towards Birmingham.

 

[Kite159]

I'm puzzled; I don't know of any down Northampton services that are timetabled to be overtaken by another one - what are they?

Are the 730/0s not 75 mph max?
As an aside, the internal LNwR maps on 730/0 do not show a route North of Milton Keynes via Northampton towards Birmingham.

Unless it's a temporary thing related to being a 730 but the 1W51 1619 London Euston to Northampton gets overtaken between Cheddington & Leighton Buzzard by the 1Y53 1626 London Euston to Birmingham New Street as it goes on the slow lines at Bourne End.

Photo of 730046 at Northampton

 

[SCDR_WMR]

90mph for the /0s

 

[D1053WP]

First of all thank you for the info on 730035. I finally got it yesterday

Secondly, does anyone know what the current plans (I know things get changed) are for the 730/2?

As I understand it they will be working Euston to Crewe and Liverpool to Birmingham

They may replace the 730/0 on Euston to Tring/Milton Keynes but I have a feeling that wont happen for a while.......

The curve ball is Euston to Birmingham which I thought was staying as 350 but I have also heard that this too will become 730/2

 

[SCDR_WMR]

First of all thank you for the info on 730035. I finally got it yesterday

Secondly, does anyone know what the current plans (I know things get changed) are for the 730/2?

As I understand it they will be working Euston to Crewe and Liverpool to Birmingham

They may replace the 730/0 on Euston to Tring/Milton Keynes but I have a feeling that wont happen for a while.......

The curve ball is Euston to Birmingham which I thought was staying as 350 but I have also heard that this too will become 730/2

I think Euston - Birmingham is staying as 350s initially as they would have to be single units which would be too short.
Crewe - Euston definitely 730/2, some single some double sets
Liverpool - Birmingham may use both tractions but will definitely see single 730/2 sets on it.
Tring/MKC I'm not sure on - should go to single/double 730 sets really.

 

[Class15]

I think Euston - Birmingham is staying as 350s initially as they would have to be single units which would be too short.
Crewe - Euston definitely 730/2, some single some double sets
Liverpool - Birmingham may use both tractions but will definitely see single 730/2 sets on it.
Tring/MKC I'm not sure on - should go to single/double 730 sets really.

Tring/MKC needs to be double /2s at peak times.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Tring/MKC needs to be double /2s at peak times.

Absolutely! Or 12 car 350.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Unless it's a temporary thing related to being a 730 but the 1W51 1619 London Euston to Northampton gets overtaken between Cheddington & Leighton Buzzard by the 1Y53 1626 London Euston to Birmingham New Street as it goes on the slow lines at Bourne End.

Photo of 730046 at Northampton

Thanks for that; the all day pattern of nn.26 and nn.56 (-ish) from Euston to Birmingham has additional nn.19 (again, -ish) in the evening peak but generally the nn.26 follows the nn.19 all the way to Northampton. It's curious that, only in the case of the 16.19, it's timetabled to overtake it. Strange

90mph for the /0s

Thanks. The 16.19 is timed for '110 m.p.h.' but has 13 minutes of allowances. I wonder if the 4 minutes 'performance allowance' within those is for the use of 730/0s.

 

[87015]

Thanks for that; the all day pattern of nn.26 and nn.56 (-ish) from Euston to Birmingham has additional nn.19 (again, -ish) in the evening peak but generally the nn.26 follows the nn.19 all the way to Northampton. It's curious that, only in the case of the 16.19, it's timetabled to overtake it. Strange




Thanks. The 16.19 is timed for '110 m.p.h.' but has 13 minutes of allowances. I wonder if the 4 minutes 'performance allowance' within those is for the use of 730/0s.

It’s not supposed to go inside and be overtaken, it’s an unadvertised retiming, see the published timetables here:

Train timetables and schedules

Download our train timetables here for easy reference when planning your journey.

www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk

730s can’t use Platform 1 at MK in passenger, it goes ECS to Bletchley then in from there in the morning.

 

[Merle Haggard]

It’s not supposed to go inside and be overtaken, it’s an unadvertised retiming, see the published timetables here:

Train timetables and schedules

Download our train timetables here for easy reference when planning your journey.

www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk

730s can’t use Platform 1 at MK in passenger, it goes ECS to Bletchley then in from there in the morning.

On the present timetable le it's a completely useless and pointless train; although it leaves Euston before the 16.26 it reaches all its advertised alighting points after it. This must be unusual - even for LNwR...,

 

[Kite159]

The only use for that 16:19 will be passengers from Watford Junction having another train towards Milton Keynes & Northampton, not sure if it offers an official connection into the 16:26 Eus - Birmingham during the 15-odd minute layover at Northampton. Also for any commuters who sees the 16:26 is a pair of 350/2s and dashes across to the 16:19

As for 730/2s for London - Crewe, you would hope that everything will be pairs of units considering how busy that route can get (unless the DfT decide to do away with the cheaper "LNR only" flexible fares to go down an 'it can be cheap if you book in advance' route)

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Hello apologies for the odd post but

001/007/011/014/015/019/041/046

Am I right in thinking these are all currently working WMT services in the Midlands, or are some currently on LNR out of Bletchley?

Thanks

 

[778]

I think Euston - Birmingham is staying as 350s initially as they would have to be single units which would be too short.
Crewe - Euston definitely 730/2, some single some double sets
Liverpool - Birmingham may use both tractions but will definitely see single 730/2 sets on it.
Tring/MKC I'm not sure on - should go to single/double 730 sets really.

Will some 730/0s stay on Tring/MK services after the 730/2s have been introduced? Could the 730/0s be used on the Abbey Line? They are 3 car units so should not be too long for the platforms.

 

[nigelsporne]

Hello apologies for the odd post but

001/007/011/014/015/019/041/046

Am I right in thinking these are all currently working WMT services in the Midlands, or are some currently on LNR out of Bletchley?

Thanks

On Tuesday I saw all of the above except 14 and 46 in Brum.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Will some 730/0s stay on Tring/MK services after the 730/2s have been introduced? Could the 730/0s be used on the Abbey Line? They are 3 car units so should not be too long for the platforms.

I'd have thought both would be unlikely given they are WMT branded but I guess there's always the opption

 

[DavidGrain]

I think Euston - Birmingham is staying as 350s initially as they would have to be single units which would be too short.

So does that mean that Euston - Birmingham will always have to be 350s because somebody forgot to order 4 car 730s?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

So does that mean that Euston - Birmingham will always have to be 350s because somebody forgot to order 4 car 730s?

What else would you have had done with the fifty odd 350s?

 

[SCDR_WMR]

So does that mean that Euston - Birmingham will always have to be 350s because somebody forgot to order 4 car 730s?

Remember the 350s are nowhere near the end of their usable life. Only the /2s are looking tatty so if it's pair of /4 or /1s then it will be better for passengers anyway.

 

[PHWO]

Hi @TT-ONR-NRN the following is a snapshot from 0800-1000 at New Street on Thursday 19th :

001 and 011 were halves of two pairs on the Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove circuit,
007 and 015 were solo on the Rugeley TV - B'ham Int'l circuit
019 and 041 were halves of two pairs on the Redditch - Four Oaks circuit
014 and 046 were not seen

Hope this is of use!

 

[Bletchleyite]

So does that mean that Euston - Birmingham will always have to be 350s because somebody forgot to order 4 car 730s?

4 car 730s would be too long for that purpose. They're 24m vehicles. A three-car unit is roughly equivalent to a 4.350 (though is about 8m shorter).

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Hi @TT-ONR-NRN the following is a snapshot from 0800-1000 at New Street on Thursday 19th :

001 and 011 were halves of two pairs on the Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove circuit,
007 and 015 were solo on the Rugeley TV - B'ham Int'l circuit
019 and 041 were halves of two pairs on the Redditch - Four Oaks circuit
014 and 046 were not seen

Hope this is of use!

I appreciate it, thanks

 

[PHWO]

I appreciate it, thanks

No worries!

 

[Silverlinky]

730014 and 046 are both working out of Bletchley today.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

4 car 730s would be too long for that purpose. They're 24m vehicles. A three-car unit is roughly equivalent to a 4.350 (though is about 8m shorter).

So a double /0 would be the best fit

 

[A7rud]

Could anyone kindly which 730s are currently at Gascoigne Wood, as I shall be passing tomorrow morning?

 

[Kite159]

So a double /0 would be the best fit

Other than the interiors not being that suitable for a journey like Euston to Birmingham.