Commuters stuck on train for 3 hours outside Leeds (22/05)

[al78]

I've walked round a depot in boots with fairly thick soles and it hurts, I hate to think what it's be like in trainers etc.

I'd be interested to have a go after hearing the comments about how hard it is. Ballast doesn't look particularly hostile for walking on, no worse than some of the ground when hiking in the Scottsh mountains, but as I have never walked on ballast I can't conclude anything. The only issue I can think of without trying for myself is the ballast will shift under my feet, potentially throwing me off balance.

 

[theageofthetra]

I'd be interested to have a go after hearing the comments about how hard it is. Ballast doesn't look particularly hostile for walking on, no worse than some of the ground when hiking in the Scottsh mountains, but as I have never walked on ballast I can't conclude anything. The only issue I can think of without trying for myself is the ballast will shift under my feet, potentially throwing me off balance.

Of course the biggest issue is if you have passenger who can't walk. Although that is a wider issue of the ridiculous situation of a DOO driver being the only person in charge of a mode public transport who is not always aware they have disabled passengers on board.

 

[Ploughman]

There's a lot to be said for end corridor connections.

I've just seen its been mentioned already before anyone jumps down my throat.

 

[Andyh82]

Apparently a near identical incident has happened again tonight. The 1826 Leeds to Skipton made it a few minutes out of Leeds before coming to a stand. Passengers were stranded on board for many hours again before being rescued by another train.

 

[nanstallon]

This puts me right off train travel, when passengers are just abandoned for hours. It happened to me some years ago when I was on a Virgin X-country train from Cornwall. Just after Bodmin Parkway, the Voyager failed. There we sat for four hours while all other trains went past us, even in the same directions as they crossed over onto the down line. Then after starting again, we got left again for an hour near St Germans. They wouldn't give us free water, and it was a hot day with no air conditioning or open windows. Absolute disgrace.

 

[yorksrob]

This puts me right off train travel, when passengers are just abandoned for hours. It happened to me some years ago when I was on a Virgin X-country train from Cornwall. Just after Bodmin Parkway, the Voyager failed. There we sat for four hours while all other trains went past us, even in the same directions as they crossed over onto the down line. Then after starting again, we got left again for an hour near St Germans. They wouldn't give us free water, and it was a hot day with no air conditioning or open windows. Absolute disgrace.

That's bad form. I can remember a couple of occasions on failed Virgin XC trains where they've handed out the free virgin cola.

 

[GW43125]

I'd be interested to have a go after hearing the comments about how hard it is. Ballast doesn't look particularly hostile for walking on, no worse than some of the ground when hiking in the Scottsh mountains, but as I have never walked on ballast I can't conclude anything. The only issue I can think of without trying for myself is the ballast will shift under my feet, potentially throwing me off balance.

Not so much hurts as bleedin' uncomfortable, but balance can indeed be an issue, particularly if you have to get up an embankment, for example.

 

[AngusH]

Ladders are kind of slow and troublesome for a number of reasons which I think probably makes evacuation the last option on the list.

Perhaps we should be using evacuation ramps instead?

https://web.archive.org/web/2012051...ew_Subway_Train/Overview_and_key_features.jsp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qOdUozV_XdM

(or the London Underground evacuation stairs)

These all use the ends of the train, but I guess something could be built into the side instead?

Walking on ballast is troublesome too but could possibly could be helped by having a roll of that instant roadway pathway material and running it out.


I suppose these ideas have probably been discussed , but failed to get past the bean counters... (which may even have been the right decision?)

 

[bb21]

Apparently a near identical incident has happened again tonight. The 1826 Leeds to Skipton made it a few minutes out of Leeds before coming to a stand. Passengers were stranded on board for many hours again before being rescued by another train.

*Many* hours?

It was 120 minutes late.

 

[bb21]

This puts me right off train travel, when passengers are just abandoned for hours.

Passengers were not "abandoned" nor "for hours" (as if they were ignored) in this incident today. Supplies were also brought in on the rescue train.

 

[xotGD]

Apparently a near identical incident has happened again tonight. The 1826 Leeds to Skipton made it a few minutes out of Leeds before coming to a stand. Passengers were stranded on board for many hours again before being rescued by another train.

I am very grateful to have caught the 18:06 last night!

It wasn't the same set failing for a second time was it?

 

[LiftFan]

Why is it that some trains are designed without a gangway connection at each end? They make for whole walkthrough trains when coupled, which I've always wondered when 150/1s are coupled. I'm sure this is why SWT got rid of their turbostars as they weren't walkthrough unlike 158 and 159s.

 

[Domh245]

Why is it that some trains are designed without a gangway connection at each end? They make for whole walkthrough trains when coupled, which I've always wondered when 150/1s are coupled. I'm sure this is why SWT got rid of their turbostars as they weren't walkthrough unlike 158 and 159s.

Because they massively restrict visibility for the driver. Compare a gangwayless (eg 357) and a gangwayed (eg 377) cab for otherwise similar vehicles and you can see why you might try to avoid them.

 

[455driver]

I've walked round a depot in boots with fairly thick soles and it hurts, I hate to think what it's be like in trainers etc.

A depot is much easier because the ballast has been levelled by lots of people walking on it over a long period of time.

Ballast on running lines can be uneven and all over the place with many trip hazards and is much more difficult.

 

[LiftFan]

Because they massively restrict visibility for the driver. Compare a gangwayless (eg 357) and a gangwayed (eg 377) cab for otherwise similar vehicles and you can see why you might try to avoid them.

Surely, I would have thought putting another window in the gangway door would help

 

[theageofthetra]

A depot is much easier because the ballast has been levelled by lots of people walking on it over a long period of time.

Ballast on running lines can be uneven and all over the place with many trip hazards and is much more difficult.

In third rail land plenty of decomposing animals to negotiate too. As well as weeds which the useless EU regulated pesticides don't kill.

 

[Domh245]

Surely, I would have thought putting another window in the gangway door would help

Not much use when the doorway itself is hidden from the drivers view by a panel on which they've had to fit all sorts of instrumentation that might otherwise be spread across the cab. It also acts to close the driving compartment off from the general public when in multiple.

https://flic.kr/p/69XqQ5

 

[superkev]

Totally unacceptable. Don't they have a plan?
I seem to remember after a similar high profile incident on Thameslink a few years ago a procedure using bridges to an adjacent train was conceived
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