Construction progress: TPE 350/4

[swt_passenger]

What docks will the new 350s be delived to and will they be moved by rail up to Ardwick?

Desiro deliveries have always come through the tunnel previously...

 

[Class 92]

Oh right, take it that it will come up the WCML.

 

[swt_passenger]

Oh right, take it that it will come up the WCML.

Was just wondering if, given that both the TPE and LM parts of the order are relatively small, perhaps all the units will get their final checks together? So possibly at Kings Heath (Northampton), prior to onward delivery to Ardwick?
Saves the various reps from the Rosco and Siemens having to be in two places at once...

 

[Rhydgaled]

It's not that hard - 158/159 and the 172 are examples of great looking trains with corridor connections.

I agree, 158s and 159s (especially without the window in the corridor connection) look great (except the Scotrail ones with most of the headlight area plated over in yellow). The LM 172s are not perfect (I prefer 377s) but I still think they look better than 170s or other operators' 172s.

Actually, that's a common theme, I think multiple units with corridor connections look better than slab-fronted ones. Eg. I think UK 158s look better than the ones in Thailand and 150/2s look better than 150/1s. The front of a class 380 though isn't nice to look at.

Some multiple units without corridor connections (ignoring streamlined 125mph units like Voyagers, which generally are good looking) that I think are good-looking are 332s (Heathrow Express) and 333s.

 

[jopsuk]

I'd extend it- 317s/SWT 455s, of most varients, look better than the smooted over ScotRail 318s- though Southerns 455s (with simpler plating over) are horrible and the 317/7s are just wrong.

 

[umontu]

There's a 350 at PRE today, guessing it's there for TPE to try out.

 

[anthony263]

There's a 350 at PRE today, guessing it's there for TPE to try out.

You are correct it is 350252 which currently being hired to Transpenine Express for staff training.

 

[swt_passenger]

There's a 350 at PRE today, guessing it's there for TPE to try out.

There's more info about the 'training' 350 in this thread:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=87384

 

[southern442]

I note it describes them as 100mph units; I had thought that (like the LM units) they would be set-up for 110mph running.

Exactly what I was thinking; yet they describe the trains as "faster" when they're certainly not

This is a little off-topic but on the subject of 350's, are the 350/1's normally diagrammed for longer distance (e.g. Crewe) and the 350/2's normally diagrammed on shorter distance (e.g. Milton Keynes)? Because the seating arrangements on the former are a lot more intercity-style than the 3+2 on the latter?
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Catering provision and stuff.



I suspect that's an error on the part of whoever typed the description. All new 350s will be capable of 110. The video gets it right by saying the new trains are faster (presumably than a 185, which can do 100).

Whoops, didn't read your commernt

 

[sd0733]

Exactly what I was thinking; yet they describe the trains as "faster" when they're certainly not

This is a little off-topic but on the subject of 350's, are the 350/1's normally diagrammed for longer distance (e.g. Crewe) and the 350/2's normally diagrammed on shorter distance (e.g. Milton Keynes)? Because the seating arrangements on the former are a lot more intercity-style than the 3+2 on the latter

350/1s are diagrammed for any service which runs via weedon (avoiding northampton) due to the 110mph top speed. Also certain birmingham-euston runs are /1s as they run fast line from ledburn-euston.
It certainly isn't particularly unusual to get a /2 on a Crewe-euston though.

 

[joeykins82]

Presumably a 350 capped at 100mph is still "faster" than a 100mph 185 because it accelerates quicker; it may reach the same speed but it gets there quicker.

 

[ainsworth74]

Presumably a 350 capped at 100mph is still "faster" than a 100mph 185 because it accelerates quicker; it may reach the same speed but it gets there quicker.

Does it? 185s are remarkably fast at accellerating.

 

[jopsuk]

Quite. Despite being lardy, 185s were designed as and thus powered/geared as trans Penine hill climbers, so they should presumably be pretty nippy from a standing start.

 

[Class172]

Quite. Despite being lardy, 185s were designed as and thus powered/geared as trans Penine hill climbers, so they should presumably be pretty nippy from a standing start.

From what I heard in the past, alongside with the 172s, they are the fastest accelerating DMUs we have.

 

[joeykins82]

Fair enough, I'd just assumed that an EMU will out-accelerate a DMU. Looking at the stats on Wikipedia the kW/T calculations come out in favour of the c185 over the 350, but presumably that's at the engine's peak power output and doesn't factor in any efficiency loss in transmission

 

[MCR247]

Don't get me wrong, 185s have good acceleration, but I doubt they'd out accelerate a 350 (at one point the fastest accelerating EMU, could still be)

 

[southern442]

Don't get me wrong, 185s have good acceleration, but I doubt they'd out accelerate a 350 (at one point the fastest accelerating EMU, could still be)

Pretty sure the fastest accelerating is the Javelin.

 

[MCR247]

Pretty sure the fastest accelerating is the Javelin.

Thought it might be, so the 350 was before they arrived

 

[nxea321446]

350401 has now arrived in the uk and has been hauled from dollands moor to crewe lnwr by 92043

 

[Simon Poole]

350401 has now arrived in the uk and has been hauled from dollands moor to crewe lnwr by 92043

Like this

My Video of 92043 hauling 350401 through Rugeley Trent Valley

[youtube]xgwMvsk1cu0[/youtube]

 

[Monty]

It looks like the unit is in the old silverlink livery, I assume they will get the by vinyl treatment rather than being painted?

 

[joeykins82]

The Silverlink livery was that awful green/blue/yellow combination, I think that's just the factory paint job for all Desiros

 

[fgwrich]

The Silverlink livery was that awful green/blue/yellow combination, I think that's just the factory paint job for all Desiros

Not quite, as the previous livery carried by the 350s was a joint 'unified' livery as the 350s were used by both Central Trains Citylink Service (Birmingham to Liverpool) and Silverlink (London Euston to Northampton/Birmingham), allowing any which 350 to operate either TOCs service.

 

[Eagle]

Yes, that's what the 350s looked like when Silverlink and Central shared them.

 

[joeykins82]

I figured that just was sensible "we're not going to vinyl wrap these since we don't know who'll be running the franchise" cost saving.

 

[Eagle]

Or it could be that the vinyls were always planned to be made and applied in Britain. Which makes sense because the livery is nothing to do with Siemens.

 

[southern442]

Or it could be that the vinyls were always planned to be made and applied in Britain. Which makes sense because the livery is nothing to do with Siemens.

Weren't the 185's delivered in a similar livery?

 

[Eagle]

I think they were originally delivered in a plain blue livery, which TPE originally added some stripes to, before vinyling over the lot with the current livery.

 

[Manchester77]

No, early units we delivered in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:First_TransPennine_Express_Class_185_in_old_livery_at_York.jpg livery

 

[cj_1985]

No, early units we delivered in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:First_TransPennine_Express_Class_185_in_old_livery_at_York.jpg livery

Ah yes... I had almost forgotten that some were delivered in the old Barbie style livery. It may not have been as "Modern" as the Dynamic Lines livery... but it was almost "Classy"

On the subject of the 350/4s... ISTR there was mention made(on here I think) that the 350/4s may only receive a waist high vinyl band, similar to what the 158s received when FTPE took over the trans-pennine franchise... so its not definite that the 350s will receive a full vinyl wrap livery