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Cumbrian Coast Loco Hauled Stock

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They were using a radio when I did my trip along the line at christmas, as far as I remember. I was a bit surprised to see this instead of a visual check, on a passenger train, but maybe they were doing both?
 
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Having Class 37s on this service actually brings people to the Cumbria Coast, well, it brought me from leicestershire anyway. :)
 

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The re-introduction of loco hauled services is certainly one that has divided opinion - it has been an interesting discussion so far. If the people decide that they no longer want 37s on the Cumbrian coast, send 'em north and I'll quite happily see them running between Inverness and Aberdeen again :-P

What modifications have been necessary to get the 37s to work with the DBSOs? Were the locos modified in a similar way to the 47/7s, or has the stock been through-wired in the same way that the class 27 push-pulls were?
 

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Looking at this article from the local rag, it seems to confirm that a lot of cancellations are down to high levels of sickness and Northern not having "core levels" of staff to run the service:

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/barro...vices-f90bd566-681f-459a-bc44-066698627d5a-ds

North West Evening Mail said:
Cllr Sweeney said: "To have cancelled 50 trains, with the limited services that we have, in a month is just beyond belief, the excuse is unprecedented levels of sickness. The record on late trains is appalling."

The deputy council leader said the quality of the rolling stock, with some 56-year-old Class 37 engines, is "abysmal".

He said: "It is all pie in the sky promises - there will be jam tomorrow. Northern has been trying for nine months; I thought we were getting somewhere with them and then all we are seeing is delays with trains and delays with rolling stock."

Councillor Bill McEwan seconded the motion and spoke about the health worries of residents who live near to Barrow rail station due to fumes and noise pollution.

Cllr McEwan said: "This issue has dragged on for so long. The residents at the Griffin estate have had to suffer ongoing levels of noise at all times: Midnight, at 2am, 4am and 6am. This is just not on. They can't open their windows in summer time because of the fumes and they are woken up at all hours."

Councillor Frank Cassidy said: "Our local rail service appears to be heading for the buffers. People who use the Furness line are fed up with out-of-date rolling stock, they are sick of cancellations and tired of excuses."

Cllr Cassidy said promises of more carriages, better trains and extra services had not been kept and said the service was "woeful".

He said the RMT union had told him that there is "not an adequate number of core staff to deliver a robust service in Barrow".

Cllr Cassidy said huge investment was surging into the area but the area "cannot go forward with confidence if we are served by a rail infrastructure that is so appalling and out-of-date.

"It's time our rolling stock stopped being a laughing stock".

The council agreed that it "regards Northern Rail's performance and attitude as completely unsatisfactory" and Cllr Pidduck will write to the managing director and chairman of Northern Rail, and write to Transport North, the secretary of state for transport and the Office for Rail Regulation.

He will also raise the problems with the Cumbria Leaders Group with a view to joint lobbying.

A spokesman for Northern said: “We understand the frustrations of passengers in and around Barrow and South Lakes who have recently experienced delays to their journeys.

“Unfortunately, as a result of unprecedented levels of sickness absence, we experienced a number of staff shortages in November and December which had a significant impact on the service we were able to offer to our customers.

“Of course, we do plan for and seek to mitigate certain levels of absence, but those we experienced towards the end of 2016 were over and above those which would normally be expected.

“Staffing levels have since returned to normal and we have recorded notable improvements in terms of the number of services being run to time in the Barrow area."
 

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What modifications have been necessary to get the 37s to work with the DBSOs? Were the locos modified in a similar way to the 47/7s, or has the stock been through-wired in the same way that the class 27 push-pulls were?
I seem to recall reading that the DBSOs have been modified to support the class 37 multiple-working system.
 

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I seem to recall reading that the DBSOs have been modified to support the class 37 multiple-working system.



I would say so. AFAIK, the DBSOs started life working Glasgow Queen Street to Edinburgh Push-Pull services in the late 70s using Class 47/7s with multiple working via the lightning circuits, when disposed by ScotRail, they were then converted for use with 86/2s on the Liverpool Street to Norwich services and following that, several were converted for use with Blue Star multiple working locomotives.

If I've missed something, please let me know.
 

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I gather Friday 10.04 Ex Preston was cancelled 37401 failed. 37403 tuck it Barrow later to form the afternoon train to Carlisle but then there was an issue with the coaching stock, it eventually left an hour late using a 153.

So as you can see reliability is improving.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Time to replace the 37s with 68s?

That wont improve issues with the coaching stock, and the 68's wont work with the DBSO's because they don't use the Blue Star multiple working system unless you want spend time and money modifying the DBSO's etc, to work with the class 68 AAR system
 
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Time to get those D-319s built so 15x, ideally 156s but 150s would do, can be released for use there.

Any through services from past Barrow could themselves be D-319s.

Many years ago I was told that 150s (which used to go to Barrow) were not allowed north of Millom due to gauging issues. Perhaps it was the lack of end doors on the /0s and /1s which prevented them from going through Whitehaven Tunnel.
 

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150s are not permitted between Maryport and Carlisle but are permitted elsewhere on the route.
 
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Why is that?

Mk 2 LHCS is OK obviously so it isn't about length, dunno about Mk3s

A genuine question. What is allowed? I know personally Pacers are cleared!

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What is allowed?

(from south to north)

Class 158 as far as Barrow.
Class 175 and 185 as far as Millom.
Class 150 (and 121?) as far as Maryport.
Class 142, 143, 144, 153, 155, 156 throughout.

If you want to know about locos and coaching stock look in the LNW North Route Sectional Appendix on Network Rail's website. You need to look in module NWRC right at the end. Also see module NW4 page 96 for additional information about Maryport - Carlisle.
 
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403 has left the coast for Norwich.

Really I thought that they didnt want large logo jobbies down there? maybe they are desperate on the Loco front or has it had a quick repaint:lol:
 
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There are some really tight clearances and some speed restrictions just for clearance through some bridges.
 

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Why is that?

Mk 2 LHCS is OK obviously so it isn't about length, dunno about Mk3s

A genuine question. What is allowed? I know personally Pacers are cleared!

Andrew

The Maryport and Carlisle historically had one of the narrowest structure gauges in the UK.

There was a restriction on Mk3 stock on the route because they were 23m long and the stock moved out of gauge on the curves.

They managed to get Mk3 stock onto the route to provide the Workington North Shuttle following the 2009 floods.
 

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They managed to get Mk3 stock onto the route to provide the Workington North Shuttle following the 2009 floods.

As in the route was worked with Mk3s or they made special arrangements to deliver them and leave them there?

Andrew
 

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As in the route was worked with Mk3s or they made special arrangements to deliver them and leave them there?

Andrew

The shuttles ran between Maryport and Workington - no problems with that section of the route. The problem is north of there where, if a train contained Mk3 stock, certain sections had to be treated as single line. No bridges have been renewed so the situation must persist today. I was also told by the p-way supervisor at Bransty at the time that, when the 155s were being tested on the route north of Workington, the single track procedure was also applied.
 

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Oh dear me. The Rt Hon MP for Barrow will go apoplectic if he looks at the CCoast service today.

Looking at Sellafield:

www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/SEL/2017/02/14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=passenger&order=wtt

the first southbound LHCS was 30+ late into Preston (and return left 10 late).

the 08.42 off Carlisle failed at Ravenglass, and the following 09.38 (not LHCS) failed at Sellafield. All causing knock cancellations.

I can see headline quotes like: "It's all very nice running steam trains for fun over the S&C, but Northern should be concentrating first on running the normal passenger services properly on the Cumbrian Coast. This is what they are contracted to do: it's their bread and butter, and it helps my constituents earn theri bread and butter - if they run reliably, that is," the Hon member for Furness told the Barrow Observer ....... etc etc

EDIt: Oh my, in the words of a currently oft quoted western politician: Total Disaster! Total Losers!

On top of the above, the 12.08 ex Carlisle managed to sit at Workington for almost an hour, leaving 59 late

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y61968/2017/02/14/advanced

People south of Whitehaven must be thinking Beeching has come back and the line has been closed - it's been that long snice they've had a train to Barrow.
 
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Oh dear me. The Rt Hon MP for Barrow will go apoplectic if he looks at the CCoast service today.

Looking at Sellafield:

www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/SEL/2017/02/14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=passenger&order=wtt

the first southbound LHCS was 30+ late into Preston (and return left 10 late).

the 08.42 off Carlisle failed at Ravenglass, and the following 09.38 (not LHCS) failed at Sellafield. All causing knock cancellations.

I can see headline quotes like: "It's all very nice running steam trains for fun over the S&C, but Northern should be concentrating first on running the normal passenger services properly on the Cumbrian Coast. This is what they are contracted to do: it's their bread and butter, and it helps my constituents earn theri bread and butter - if they run reliably, that is," the Hon member for Furness told the Barrow Observer ....... etc etc


"Perhaps they could offer similar steam services on the Cumbrian Coast Line as well, maybe they would be more reliable" ;)
 

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401 decided it didn't like coolant. 059 collected the set from Drigg, 409 picked up service.

First failures since Jan 20
 

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401 decided it didn't like coolant. 059 collected the set from Drigg, 409 picked up service.

First failures since Jan 20

May I ask if you document that? Because I find it very difficult to believe, through a cursory look at the services most days. Even last Friday (I think it was) there was at least one very late train, IIRC. Of course, this could sometimes be down to signalling, or track, or crew issues etc. But to have only one failure in almost four weeks only down to the locos or carriages seems a big stretch.

Anyway, yesterday was a disaster for a horrible proportion of Whitehaven - Barrow trains and v v, although it also included problems with at least one DMU service.
 
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