DB running on HS1

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  1. HSTEd

    HSTEd Established Member

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    They are DB Class 407, but I dont know if that was what they are going to get for TOPs, assuming they even have to be in TOPs as they wont run anywhere that isnt on HS1.
     
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    Just a thought, but will they need yellow ends?
     
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    dunno, I think the current test train is eventually due to run Frankfurt-South of France so the DB colour scheme is OK asis
     
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    Class 374
     
  5. blackfive460

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    Not good news.

    'Deutsche Bahn AG said its planned rail service from Frankfurt to London via the Channel Tunnel has been put back from 2013 to 2015.

    Delays in the delivery of 16 new high-speed trains from Siemens AG mean that the planned three-times-daily service won’t now start as scheduled...
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    Perhaps they should have gone to Bombardier! They'd have been on time and totally reliable from the off!

    It does say in the article that Eurostar may be running services to Frankfurt from early 2014, which does give them a head start - and the ability to keep prices high for a while without any competition.

    The plus side is that Eurostar can now do the hard work of establishing the route and generating demand (through advertising) and DB can save some money!
     
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    Bugger. That is bad news - I was getting quite excited about this.
     
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    I suspect they'll be class 407.

    There is a precedent - Class 22 was used by BB22xxx locomotives around Dolland's Moor despite them being 25kV AC/1500V DC Locomotives
     
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    I seem to remember from the early days of the tunnel that the shuttle locomotives were designed to be able to rescue a failed Eurostar. If this is the case and no Class 6400 diesels were available, they would need to take it as far as Ebbsfleet but more likely St. Pancras in order to detrain passengers. Since the shuttle locos do not sport yellow noses it must be assumed that it is not essential. As an aside, can the locos coming to the end of a RHTT cycle be regarded to have yellow ends when they are completely covered in rust brown detritus?
     
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    Perhaps this due to our new found Glorious Isolation?
    (Cue Battle of Britain theme and corp Jones saying "they don't like it up em'"):lol:
     
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    hmm, it makes you wonder doesn't it, if this isn't a cat & mouse game between E* & DB to get the other to go first.

    & re the other posts re yellow noses, I believe from other threads that the yellow nose is superfluous on HS1 as 'live' lineside working isn't permitted above 125mph, so presumably E*s still have it for historical Waterloo reasons, but is now redundant since the DC gear is removed.
     
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    Don't they keep the yellow noses because some services call at Ashford?
     
  14. HSTEd

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    I thought it was more because it is now considered to be the classic Eurostar livery.
     
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    I can't recall Eurostar saying they'd run to Frankfurt.

    I think Lyon, Geneva and Amsterdam (presumably stopping at Antwerp and Rotterdam minimum) - were the ones mentioned for their new stock.

    Whereas DB were to run to Amsterdam and Frankfurt via Cologne, splitting the same train at Brussels.

    So Amsterdam I think was the only overlap. But who knows what will actually happen now. Hadn't work begun at Cologne for an isolated platform solution?
     
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    there was no noticeable work being done on Cologne Platform 1 when I went through on 2nd Dec, in fact I think the platform was in use
     
  17. Peter Mugridge

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    I've asked someone at ES HQ who should know... Will report back in due course...



    Got the answer... since Network Rail now own HS1 the yellow ends have been a mandatory requirement on HS1. So the yellow ends will be staying - and will need to be applied to the ICEs as well.....
     
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  18. gordonthemoron

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    ICEs will look horrible if it's just a standard add on to their normal white livery. On the other hand, DB quite often change the livery of the driving cars, e.g. for World Cup, so if something was done to a significant proportion of the coach, it would probably be fine
     
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