DB through the tunnel this year?

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Class377/5 · 20 Oct 2010

Does anyone know why the ICE3 has so many pans? Noticed it today when I saw the unit at St Pancras that every non driving carriage had its own pan.

daikilo · 20 Oct 2010

Drsatan said:
But if customs and immigration controls were to be abolished for Eurostar services, then wouldn't the airline industry demand the abolition of border controls for short-haul flights?

As in the UK becomes part of Shenghen? Yes please. Much less significant at airports than on trains.

ainsworth74 · 20 Oct 2010

Because they operate with different overhead supplies in different countries. On Belgium's classic lines there is a DC overhead supply, so they have 2 sets of pans, two for AC and two for DC.

WatcherZero · 20 Oct 2010

DB Chairman has just hinted that the service may be introduced before the 2013 date, in fact in time for visitors to the 2012 Olympics.

Competition for international rail with UK really heating up.

tripleseis · 20 Oct 2010

ARD News report with video:
http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/ice214.html

ZDF video report:
http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/20/0,3672,20,00.html?dr=1

(They're in German but you can see the train pulling into the station).

chic · 20 Oct 2010

An aside, but I was interested that a german insurance/banking group being reported today as a bidder for the ctrl/hs1.

If that happened, it'd certainly help clear any nonsense from the French over train specs.

philjo · 20 Oct 2010

I see that Eurostar have got full page ads advertising Eurostar fares to Cologne in the national papers today (seen in the Times, Guardian & also the Metro).
They had a whole sheet advert around the outside of the evening standard last night advertising Cologne and Amsterdam.

Csalem · 20 Oct 2010

tripleseis said:
It was great seeing a DB ICE train in London and I wonder what John Betjeman would think of all this:

Looking at that picture and the man in the wheelchair got me thinking that possibly seventy years ago he was fighting to keep the Germans out of London... :lol:

jon0844 · 20 Oct 2010

Yes, and I guess they're hoping that now the press has talked of journeys to Holland and Germany, but not until 2013 (or maybe 2012 which could be nothing more than a special service for the event only), people can see that they can actually go there now - albeit with a change at Brussels.

I did laugh when I got my ES yesterday, but it makes sense to cash in on the publicity that DB got (and they got a lot) from a business point of view.

To be fair, they have been advertising these destinations for a lot of the summer on posters all over the place.
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Csalem said:
Looking at that picture and the man in the wheelchair got me thinking that possibly seventy years ago he was fighting to keep the Germans out of London...

Don't worry, the Germans will still have to get by the infamous St Pancras RPIs that take no prisoners!

The Barlow Boy · 20 Oct 2010

philjo said:
I see that Eurostar have got full page ads advertising Eurostar fares to Cologne in the national papers today (seen in the Times, Guardian & also the Metro).
They had a whole sheet advert around the outside of the evening standard last night advertising Cologne and Amsterdam.

That's a worried company if I ever saw one!
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Csalem said:
Looking at that picture and the man in the wheelchair got me thinking that possibly seventy years ago he was fighting to keep the Germans out of London...

Then again he might be one of the Germans who were trying to fight themselves in.

Capybara · 20 Oct 2010

The Barlow Boy said:
That's a worried company if I ever saw one!

They've emailed me this afternoon. How did they know I went up to have a look yeserday?

Dai. · 20 Oct 2010

jonmorris0844 said:
Here are mine. Very similar, surprise surprise!

View attachment 3162

It looks at home in the platforms, which is good ^ That bloke has a long wait though.

jon0844 · 20 Oct 2010

That bloke is a woman!

Jan · 20 Oct 2010

To be precise, they actually have three pairs of pans:
2 x with wide coal contact strip (Germany, Austria, Netherlands AC?)
2 x with narrow coal contact strip (France & Belgium AC, Switzerland)
2 x with wide metallised coal contact strip (France & Netherlands & Belgium DC)

Dai. · 20 Oct 2010

The Barlow Boy said:
Isn't Eurostar(UK) now Eurostar International and running as a completely separate stand-alone company or have I read something in a business magazine wrongly? (It's not unknown!)

You're not wrong. They are a separate stand alone company

Eurostar is a private limited (ltd) company. "Eurostar International Ltd", transformed from Eurostar UK Limited.

This means their shares are not given to shareholders on the stock exchange but a selection of partners who buy them privately from the company itself.

The shares are -
SNCF (55%), SNCB (5%) and LCR (40%).

SNCF are the majority owners as they have the most shares, so they can freely disagree with the managing director of the company.

I hope this helps explain things!

charlesn132 · 20 Oct 2010

jonmorris0844 said:
That bloke is a woman!

No it's not! Look properly!

ralphchadkirk · 20 Oct 2010

charlesn132 said:
No it's not! Look properly!

It's definatly a woman...

Kingmoor local · 20 Oct 2010

ralphchadkirk said:
It's definatly a woman...

The one in the wheel chair is a man, the one standing next to him is a woman....

WatcherZero · 20 Oct 2010

Yep def a man, no idea why you thought people were talking about the woman.

Dai. · 20 Oct 2010

Man or woman, it doesn't particularly matter.

Back on topic?

jon0844 · 20 Oct 2010

In the photo that was with the comment, it was a woman sitting inside the train (I know because she looked at me in a second photo as the autofocus light made her look, but it was blurred so I didn't post it) . Unless I got to see the wrong photo in the post. Anyway, it doesn't really matter!

WatcherZero · 21 Oct 2010

The comment was the guy in the wheelchair probably fought the Germans, but yeah back to topic.

The Barlow Boy · 21 Oct 2010

Jan said:
To be precise, they actually have three pairs of pans:
2 x with wide coal contact strip (Germany, Austria, Netherlands AC?)
2 x with narrow coal contact strip (France & Belgium AC, Switzerland)
2 x with wide metallised coal contact strip (France & Netherlands & Belgium DC)

For coal read carbon.

charlesn132 · 21 Oct 2010

Kingmoor local said:
The one in the wheel chair is a man, the one standing next to him is a woman....

Okay then...
They actually loo like a woman if you close in...
But it doesn't matter anyway.

jon0844 · 22 Oct 2010

This was the photo I got, with the arrow in the message from Dai. and the comment about the bloke, hence my confusion!

http://www.railforums.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=3162

Dai. said:
It looks at home in the platforms, which is good ^ That bloke has a long wait though.

No wheelchair user there.. Perhaps he's filming and was upset about not being allowed to board the train!

manaichain · 3 Nov 2010

I've only skimmed the topic, but people saying they are doing ICE trains that can seperate in the tunnel. i read back in the spring that they've relaxed the law, meaning DB don't need to do that anymore, they can run the normal ICE through

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