DB through the tunnel this year?

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  1. A60K

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    It won't be a half set - the ICE3 comes in 8-car sets and it is one of these that will be at St Pancras. Half the length of a Eurostar yes, half set by any other definition no.
     
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    That's correct - rather than being a brand and marketing name of the three national railways as it originally was, Eurostar is now an independent railway company with multi-national shareholders, the French being the majority as ajax103 states.
     
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    Block markers on the TVM signalling system are the yellow triangle on a blue square sign - one of the pictures of the ICE entering the tunnel shows one of the these.

    IIRC block markers on TVM are of two types: 'F' or 'Nf' (meaning franchissable from memory). An 'F' marker is one on plain track and can conditionally be passed at low speed, whereas an 'Nf' is one protecting a junction and cannot be passed. I believe this corresponds with French standard signalling practice where a single red is the equivalent of an 'F' TVM marker and a double red is the 'Nf' equivalent.
     
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    Due to arrive at 0255 on Tuesday, propelled into the station by the Eurotunnel rescue loco(s), which will then disappear back to the safety of ET land, departing at 0255 on Wednesday.

    Relevant headcodes are 5Z01 and 0Z01 for the inbound journey, and 0Z02 and 5Z02 for the return.

    HTH,

    Barry
     
  5. Peter Mugridge

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    Yes, Nf = non-franchissable; under no circumstances is any SPAD tolerated at such a signal or marker. This rule is just about the strictest there is!
     
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    That is a "neutral" face for the start of the "neutral" section in the OLE. The same image appears on the driver's TVM.
     
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    Says a lot about the state of Britain's rail industry. Back in the mid 90s, we were promised eurostars from Manchester to Paris and sleepers from London to Amsterdam. And it came to nothing. Britain's fragmented, mismanaged or misfinanced rail companies have neither the gumption nor the money to even consider proposing a fancy train service to Germany.

    Instead, we've had to wait for DB to come to us.
     
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    Yes, it does seem that DB (or others) have been pushing hard to get this going, even pushing to change the regulations that probably gave UK operators the excuse to do nothing.

    Of course, I may be wrong on that - and perhaps the move to loosen the restrictions was down to UK input too?

    How ironic that once DB said it wanted to come to London, Eurostar suddenly says they'll order new trains and extend their service reach!
     
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    Just visited St Pancras this morning, on the way to work. Saw the ICE on platform 1 adjacent to the champagne bar. Photographers, DB stand and DB staff. Excellent :D
     
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    where are the photos?
     
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    Here they are !
     

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    I did the same. The Eurostars look pretty grubby in comparison to the ICE!
     
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    believe me, ICEs are usually fairly grubby too
     
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    Text from BBC news:

    The plan to split at Brussels to run separate portions to Amsterdam & Frankfurt seem more viable then running one 400m long through train to each destination considering the lower likely demand for through services to each destination & also the ability to offer through services to more destinations using one path from St Pancras-Brussels
     
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    Just saw the BBC news item, too. Looks like DB have plans for three daily service from London to Amsterdam/Frankfurt.

    Suggests a double ICE unit will travel through the tunnel. Then divide at Brussels. One to Amsterdam and the other to Frankfurt (via Cologne?).

    I reckon a London -> Amsterdam journey time of 4 hours. London->Frankfurt around 4 hrs 45 mins. Now for DB to really steal passengers from the airlines, they'll need to offer WiFi and better catering.

    I shall be among the first to try the service !!
     
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    I was one of the first to go on Eurostar back in 1994 (I think), so I'll definitely be on one of the first trains here - although if it is going to divide, I wonder which way I'll decide to go!!
     
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    Do both ! Morning train to Amsterdam. Lunchtime train onto Cologne. Evening train from Cologne back to London.
     
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    DB were handing out a leaflet this morning which confirms the split at Brussels.
    Time quotes to Frankfurt is 5 hours. Competition to Brussels will be very interesting. Maybe they could introduce a class of service called...Leisure Select...
     
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    That'll be platform 5 then..........:D
     
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    Given a choice, I'd rather travel in an ICE than a traditional Eurostar train. Bigger, roomier interiors, better catering and you can sit behind the driver for a forward view.
     
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    not on the new Velaro Ds which both DB & E* will be using

    Of the destinations suggested for the DB services, i.e. Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Cologne & Frankfurt, I'd go for Amsterdam & Cologne
     
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    Amsterdam will be very popular for students and revellers, while Cologne offers good onward links to the rest of Europe and Scandinavia.

    The next thing will be working out a timetable that allows onward connections, and I am assuming DB will be on top of that. I'd love to be able to leave early in the morning, get to Cologne and then take train on to Copenhagen, where I can swap over to the X2000 to Stockholm. I don't know if you could realistically do that in one day, but it would be great if you could - avoiding the need to go overnight to Denmark.

    Likewise, it would be nice to be able to get to Berlin in a single day which I presume will be easy.
     
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    Saw it at St. Pancras, gotta say it looks beautiful.
     
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    Did it get there under it's own power? The video of it pulling into the platform suggests it might have done unless it was being pushed in so the publicity shots wouldn't be ruined
     
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    This post from the similar thread in the International Rail section says that it was propelled into the platform by one of the Eurotunnel rescue locos: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=512337&postcount=92
     
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    How will this work at Brussels-Midi? The E* platforms (and associated passport controls, holding areas etc) are dead-end, and somewhat separate from the main station. Will passengers be able to leave/join the train at Brussels in both directions? Or could this in fact be a non-station-stop, just a stop for splitting the units?
     
  29. WatcherZero

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    BBC also say was pulled by diesels from the Tunnel to St Pancras.
     
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    The ICE looks quite smart in St Pancras, seems to have a awful lot of pantographs, I only saw half the train and counted 4, each pan is opposite each other on opposing coaches i- how many pantographs do they have and how many do they use in normal service?
     
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