East Midlands Railway livery and station branding

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  1. Murray J

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    Question has any EMR operated station actually been branded in EMR livery scheme yet eg posters, lamp posts, station running in signs etc?
     
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    Will these be the first 153s to be withdrawn?
     
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    They are on loan to West Midlands Railway for use over in the Birmingham area but as they are due to be withdrawn at the end of December they are unlikely to return to the East Midlands. To compensate East Midlands Railway got 156503 from Scot Rail.
     
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    do you know the "answer" to post 298...?
     
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    No idea what is going to happen to them. Most likely whatever is happening to the rest of the EMR 153's I would assume.
     
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    43043, 43064, 43081, 43083 & 43089 now have EMR "large logo" branding. 156405, 158783, 158799 & 158862 confirmed to have EMR Regional branding.
    222007 now has EMR Intercity branding.

    Lastly, 158852 is debranded on one coach, and still carries EMT logos on the other.
     
  10. 43055

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    Updated list with changes in bold:

    The rebranding of the current stock is almost complete according to the list with only 158852 remaining (and is likely to already rebranded)

    Class 43 HST power cars:
    43043 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43044 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43046 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43048 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43049 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43050 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43052 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43054 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43055 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43058 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43059 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43060 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43064 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43066 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43076 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43081 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43082 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43083 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
    43089 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded


    43423 - Plain blue, EMR branded
    43465 - Plain blue, EMR branded
    43467 - Plain blue, EMR branded
    43468 - Plain blue, EMR branded
    43480 - Plain blue, EMR branded
    43484 - Plain blue, EMR branded

    LNER 43061 and 43075 still have EMT branding

    Class 153 (Due to leave by Jan 2020):
    153302 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153308 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153311 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153313 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153318 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153319 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153321 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153355 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153357 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153368 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153372 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153374 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153376 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153379 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153381 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153382 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153383 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153384 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153385 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo

    Class 156:
    156401 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156403 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156405 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo - Confirmed
    156406 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156408 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156413 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
    156414 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
    156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156470 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156473 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156497 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156498 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156503 - ScotRail Saltire base with EMR Regional logo (on loan)

    Class 158:
    158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158773 - White base with Orange doors, EMR Regional logo
    158774 - White base with Orange doors, no branding
    158777 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158780 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158783 - de-branded intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158785 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158788 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158799 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158806 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158813 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158847 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158852 - Full EMT intercity white
    158854 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158856 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158857 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158858 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158862 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158863 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158864 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158866 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158889 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo

    Class 222:
    222001 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222002 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222003 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222004 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222005 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222006 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

    222007 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222008 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222009 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222010 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222011 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222012 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222013 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222014 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222015 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222016 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222017 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222018 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222019 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222020 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222021 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222022 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222023 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

    222101 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222102 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222103 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
    222104 - Full EMR intercity purple
     
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    158774 is back and is the same as 773.

    Unless it's been applied in the last day or two 156414 has no logo applied.
     
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    If the ex-LNER HST sets are to remain in EMR service until 2022, are they likely to receive the purple livery?
     
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    If they do, then I expect the rest of the 222s will as well, seeing as they are also due to be replaced in 2022.
     
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    I really hope the intercity units stay in EMT/LNER colours, the purple is truly revolting... what are they thinking

    I could live with purple as a highlight colour, but the 222 unit is overwhelming and just looks miserable. I suspect the units leaving will remain in current colour schemes and only the retained for life of the franchise units getting a new colour scheme when the interiors are freshened up with new seat covers etc
     
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    The HSTs are not planned to stay beyond the end of next year, which is why there has been so much to'ing-and-fro'ing about whether they would transfer.
     
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    I had my first ride in the flying aubergine a couple of days ago and it is oh so tatty inside. To think this was used for the franchise launch too. I've alway liked the Stagecoach livery, but I really am very surprised that Abellio don't want to put their own mark on the trains. As we approached Leicester i also saw the 156 in ScotRail colours and soon we'll see EMR trains in red. I don't know what the record is for the number of different liveries for one franchise, but we may be getting close to it when the new trains arrive.

    It just seems that the company doesn't value its own brand.
     
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    All the 222s are tatty inside
     
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    There will be a few liveries, by my reckoning at worst theres Red/vtec HST, EMT white HST/222/158, plain blue ex scotrail 170, wmt 170, xc 170 (I believe theres a little swap of 2 for 3 cars mentioned somewhere unless just the centre cars move), southern 170, plain white 158, plain blue 156, EMT blue 153+156, First unbranded 360 and EMR 222+repaints so that's 11 liveries at worst although some will be very short lived I imagine and may not be seen at all.
    I very much doubt theyll beat any records, original EMT particularly the 153s and 158s were in an array of colour schemes before the refurb programmed and Northern mk1 while they eventually started rolling out the brand had a massive selection of liveries.
     
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    In the early days of EMT some of the 158's were debranded Northern Spirit Transpennine purple with debranded First Transpennine blue stripe, with Central brackets, with EMT logos on top. If you count that as four different liveries on a single train, EMR have a long way to go yet.
     
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    Greater Anglia may have the record as there was even class 170's still in Anglian turquoise livery!
     
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    Very true and have been for some time. I reported a loose power socket to EMT last year or the year before. There was another wobbly socket on a 222 last week I think. Both were at table seats.
     
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    A couple of questions about what I spotted when passing Eastcroft Depot tonight (in the dark!)

    A Class 150 which appeared to be in Scotrail livery, has this been transferred in?

    A Class 158 in all over white with orange doors, what livery will this be in? (assuming it doesn't retain all over white)
     
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    The Scotland's Railway Saltire livery unit is 156503. Not sure the idea behind the white 158's (minus Stagecoach swirls); that may have been answered already.

    I did note this evening that 156410 is now also sporting a nice new paint job. Oh hang-on...it's been tagged by graffiti artists. ;)
     
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    156503 on B exam, it's on loan. 158773 and 774 are white, the former with EMR Regional branding, the latter without.

    410 got done Saturday night - shortage of available units so it's running around with it for now.
     
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    158774 is now white with orange doors
     
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    I travelled through Nottingham and Derby yesterday and noticed all the staff are still wearing EMT uniforms (albeit with the EMR purple tie). It's more noticeable now that the cold weather is here and they are wearing the fleeces with East Midlands Trains embroidered into them.

    I noticed some of the take care on the stairs signs had been replaced but everything else is the same. To be honest, apart from the stickers over everything, it does still feel like EMT are running the services.

    These things do take time to implement but it seems Abellio are reluctant to put their stamp on anything - the focus is 'new trains are coming' but that's not for a few years and I find it hard to understand why they wouldn't be wanting to establish their new brand elsewhere like stations and staff in the meantime.

    I don't have much time for Stagecoach or EMT for various reasons so will admit I am keen to see the back of anything related to them but even so it feels that progress is slow. I'm happy to be corrected here but with other franchises such as GWR, VTEC/LNER it felt like there was much more of a 'big bang' when the new branding was introduced.
     
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    Updated the list on post #308
     
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    We travelled to London & back yesterday and it does still feel very Stagecoach. Abellio is making so little impact on the franchise that it makes you wonder what the short-term aims and objectives are. Just to add our departure from St Pancras was delayed while we awaited a member of staff to arrive.
     
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    Just a neutral white livery. 405 will be the same. I wouldn't expect it to gain anything other than the usual branding at some stage.
     

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