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Here is a link to a recent press release from EMR about the class 360 services. "https://www.eastmidlandsrailway.co....ct-more-seats-and-a-simpler-timetable-on-our#". It mainly talks about the benefits the service will bring to the line and also some more information about the trains themselves.
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Looked at this EMR press release. It mentions "EMR Connect will be comprised of eight carriage electric trains serving Corby, Kettering, Wellingborough, Bedford, Luton & Luton Airport Parkway every 30 minutes on weekdays from 06:00" I thought some trains were to be twelve carriages and that's why some platforms had been lengthened or is this a temporary situation during Covid restrictions ? It doesn't mention 12 car. during peak periods. Is it just an experiment re "demand" or something to do with the pantographs problems people mentioned on here a while back?
 
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Old DMU said:
Looked at this EMR press release. It mentions "EMR Connect will be comprised of eight carriage electric trains serving Corby, Kettering, Wellingborough, Bedford, Luton & Luton Airport Parkway every 30 minutes on weekdays from 06:00" I thought some trains were to be twelve carriages and that's why some platforms had been lengthened or is this a temporary situation during Covid restrictions ?
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Perhaps better to only commit to eight carriages and people are pleasantly surprised if 12 pitch up rather than mention 12 and get loads of moans that there are only eight.... I am assuming that eight is the default.
 
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Apologies if this has been covered before - aren’t 21 Class 360s a bit much for the Corby service ? Even if they aren’t going to run as single units, it’s still quite a lot of extra stock for a not-so-frequent service.
 
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Apologies if this has been covered before - aren’t 21 Class 360s a bit much for the Corby service ? Even if they aren’t going to run as single units, it’s still quite a lot of extra stock for a not-so-frequent service.
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No, it’s just the right fleet size. 6 sets needed for a 30 min interval service, originally planned to be 12 car sets. That needs 18 units, with maintenance cover 21 is the ideal fleet size.
 
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No, it’s just the right fleet size. 6 sets needed for a 30 min interval service, originally planned to be 12 car sets. That needs 18 units, with maintenance cover 21 is the ideal fleet size.
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Old DMU said:
Looked at this EMR press release. It mentions "EMR Connect will be comprised of eight carriage electric trains serving Corby, Kettering, Wellingborough, Bedford, Luton & Luton Airport Parkway every 30 minutes on weekdays from 06:00" I thought some trains were to be twelve carriages and that's why some platforms had been lengthened or is this a temporary situation during Covid restrictions ? It doesn't mention 12 car. during peak periods. Is it just an experiment re "demand" or something to do with the pantographs problems people mentioned on here a while back?
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8-car services are a result of COVID-supressed demand. 12-car services will be provided if the demand recovers well enough, but it might be a good while before that happens.

The pantograph "problems" were simply temporary restrictions until the 3-pan 110mph capability of the new OLE was proven.
 
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I suppose that supressed demand and shorter trains running will help out with refurbishment of these trains.
 
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I suppose that supressed demand and shorter trains running will help out with refurbishment of these trains.
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High "T-Karmel"! It would be good to think that what you say is right. After being used to fairly good class 222 2+2 seating standards, the ex Anglia class 360's do really need to be upgraded for the Kettering/Wellingborough/Luton London commuters. Corby you may remember was reported as being one of the places having the fastest growing population outside London and with cheaper house prices at present has become an attractive area for people in "the city" to buy housing when travel times to St. Pancras are only just over 70 minutes. If they live in outer London, local train + underground can be about the same.
 
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“EMU 100” speed boards are now appearing on the fast lines, just North of Cricklewood on the down where linespeed rises above 100mph for the first time, and in a couple of other places.

Quite surprised that’s being done, rather than just a issuing a blanket instruction not to exceed 100mph South of Bedford north junction, but there we go.
 
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“EMU 100” speed boards are now appearing on the fast lines, just North of Cricklewood on the down where linespeed rises above 100mph for the first time, and in a couple of other places.

Quite surprised that’s being done, rather than just a issuing a blanket instruction not to exceed 100mph South of Bedford north junction, but there we go.
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If it's an infrastructure restriction, it needs to be signed and in the Sectional Appendix.
 
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If it's an infrastructure restriction, it needs to be signed and in the Sectional Appendix.
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In that case I’d imagine there will soon be a lot more of them and it’s a work in progress.

Obviously this is the first time AC stock capable of greater than 100mph has been used on the route so something had to be done. Just seems surprising there wasn’t a simpler workaround given it’s a blanket ban south of Bedford and should only be temporary.

A related point came up before (I can’t remember which thread). Namely that the widely known about 100mph max for electric stock hasn’t historically been sign posted and nobody seemed to know where it originated from, it also wasn’t in the SA IIRC.
 
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Obviously this is the first time AC stock capable of greater than 100mph has been used on the route so something had to be done.
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If you mean EMUs, then yes. When Euston was shut for engineering works in 1991, Class 86/87-hauled InterCity services (accompanied by 47s for the Nuneaton-Bedford stretch) used the Midland Main Line that year, as seen in the video below.

 
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Edvid said:
If you mean EMUs, then yes. When Euston was shut for engineering works in 1991, Class 86/87-hauled InterCity services (accompanied by 47s for the Nuneaton-Bedford stretch) used the Midland Main Line that year, as seen in the video below.

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Thanks for posting that. Absolutely cracking.

It might well be the case that in those days the line speed was 100mph max for all stock. From what I’ve read this remained the case until well after HSTs came into use on the route (does anyone know when the 110mph was introduced?)

The 100mph speed board at St Albans in that video is still current, but virtually the entire line (on the fasts) between north of Cricklewood and Wellingborough is now >100, apart from St Albans, and the area around the Lutons.
 
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In that case I’d imagine there will soon be a lot more of them and it’s a work in progress.

Obviously this is the first time AC stock capable of greater than 100mph has been used on the route so something had to be done. Just seems surprising there wasn’t a simpler workaround given it’s a blanket ban south of Bedford and should only be temporary.

A related point came up before (I can’t remember which thread). Namely that the widely known about 100mph max for electric stock hasn’t historically been sign posted and nobody seemed to know where it originated from, it also wasn’t in the SA IIRC.
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Thameslink 387s were 110mph capable.
 
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Fom the Northants Telegraph, the 360s probably will look like that after a full refurb & repaint:

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I’ll give it to EMR - it sounds like they’re planning on doing anything and everything to make sure all their long-term cascades look and feel like brand new trains...
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But unfortunately, once you step inside, not for an undefined period after they are brought into service.
 
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But unfortunately, once you step inside, not for an undefined period after they are brought into service.
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They've all had a good deep clean inside, the staff at KDS have been working tirelessly, and continue to do so. The general ambience inside the units is rather pleasant to my eye.
 
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Sets now failed in Corby Station so unless they're resurrected that's that unfortunately!
 
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