Entire 800/801/802 fleet stood down for safety checks

[Stathern Jc]

Fascinating. I think we can close that one then. I am surprised that the industry hasn't spotted this sooner though. I would have like to have thought that a potential materials defect would have led to a programme of monitoring to prevent the exact situation that we find ourselves in now!

well it was a programme of monitoring that found this flaw so maybe already being monitored?

The monitoring that Bill was referring to was that of the quality of raw materials received by the train manufacturer (As referred to in the article linked in #1006) rather than any routine inspection of the finished stock.
Metallurgical analysis of the materials used may well be useful, but obviously that would require the disposal of a significant part.
That may eventually be necessary in order to to determine whether this problem is a design, materials, manufacturing or even a usage / maintenance process issue.

 

[devon_metro]

I note the hourly Newport - Reading IETs miss the hourly Didcot - Paddington 387s by around 5 minutes at Reading. The next available fast service to London is ex-Oxford - presumably a turbo, if running at all. At least based on current schedule.

 

[Ianno87]

LNER have published a temporary timetable for this week (Monday to Friday): https://www.lner.co.uk/globalassets...orary-weekday-timetable-10-to-14-may-2021.pdf

From a casual glance, looksike the majority of the timetable is planned to run.

 

[pelli]

On some social media messages where they have referred to them as Hitachi/Class 8XX trains people have replied asking if that means their Azuma trains are unaffected. It's clear that changing their messaging is confusing some people.

If as a company you religously refer to your fleet as Azuma when everything is going great then you really should also be doing this at times like this.

A Twitter search for "800 (from:lner)" reveals that during the entire history of the Twitter account, @LNER (presumably originally under different name when it was VTEC) have beginning from 2014 made posts mentioning "800" (in the context of Class 800) a total of 34 times, of which 10 were in the last two days (and the last one before those was 6 months ago). Of these 34 posts, 8 also included the word "azuma", none of which in the last two days. It could certainly be argued that this inconsistency in terminology is confusing to the average traveller.

 

[CHAPS2034]

Is Waterloo - Exeter closed for PW work again next weekend ? Can you still use a GWR ticket on a SWR waterloo- exeter?

Yes to the first question

National Rail Enquiries is your friend.

Find details of current incidents | National Rail

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www.nationalrail.co.uk

Engineering work is taking place between Dilton Marsh / Gillingham and Salisbury, closing various lines.


South Western Railway:

An amended timetable will be in operation between London Waterloo and Salisbury.

A replacement bus service will operate between:-

• Salisbury and Gillingham.
• Salisbury and Warminster.

Check before you travel:


If you are travelling with South Western Railway, these changes are not currently shown in the National Rail Enquiries Journey Planner, please check back nearer to the time of travel.

 

[spark001uk]

It's so the Voyager haters can all pile on the HST

I can't say i've met anyone who particularly enjoys the aroma inside a voyager.!

Edit: That said, if it's that or a very long wait.....

 

[Ianno87]

It shows that LNER are into damage limitation for the brand which is an interesting thing to learn IMHO and captures their corporate culture...

What self-respecting company would not do damage limitation in a situation like this?

All academic anyway - as I posted above, it appears they're planing to run the significant majority of their services this week anyway, which is what actually matters (not what they happen to call their trains on social media)

 

[800001]

So far, RTT reports only one LNER cancellation at Kings Cross today (the 0855 ex Newcastle) and none for Hull Trains, while at Leeds only one TPE service, the 1644 Newcastle - Leeds, is cancelled so far. Granted it's a Sunday and it remains to be seen what happens tomorrow morning. GWR is having to make more significant changes, including shuttle services from Swindon to Cheltenham and from Reading to Worcester. Are these 158s and 165/166s respectively, and where is GWR getting them from?

RTT won't show a lot of the cancellations, as they were preplanned cancellations and removed from systems over night

The issue with North of Edinburgh is more to do with them being unable to guarantee a bi-mode unit for those services. 5 car 800s can and have worked to Aberdeen and Inverness in service, but it is avoided where possible.

5 and 10 car Azumas, have worked north of Edinburgh, but should not, they are banned from working north of Edinburgh until riask assessments are carried out.
Previous passenger working of 5 cars should not of happened.

 

[Class 170101]

Just appeared

https://twitter.com/LNER/status/1391464860593098764

London North Eastern Railway

#LNERUpdate Our amended timetable for Monday 10 to Friday 14 May is now available to view in full at the link below.

https://lner.co.uk/travel-information/travelling-later/timetable-changes/
Please read this thread for further information.

 

[PHILIPE]

Is Waterloo - Exeter closed for PW work again next weekend ? Can you still use a GWR ticket on a SWR waterloo- exeter?

I've looked at the NRE site and there doesn't appear to br any work on the route. Ticket acceptance will depend on how the situation develops so keep an eye on GWR Website.

EDIT:- The NRE Site is not showing the correct info.

 

[spark001uk]

RTT won't show a lot of the cancellations, as they were preplanned cancellations and removed from systems over night

Indeed, unless one enables the "CAN" switch.

 

[CHAPS2034]

What self-respecting company would not do damage limitation in a situation like this?

Indeed. But in doing so they seem to be confusing many of their customers, which will be counter productive.

I can't say i've met anyone who particularly enjoys the aroma inside a voyager.!

Perhaps XC could rebrand the Voyager as an "Aroma"?

 

[spark001uk]

Perhaps XC could rebrand the Voyager as an "Aroma"?

Or Apooma.

 

[swt_passenger]

I've looked at the NRE site and there doesn't appear to br any work on the route. Ticket acceptance will depend on how the situation develops so keep an eye on GWR Website.

EDIT:- The NRE Site is not showing the correct info.

It is showing on NRE for me at 2011. Work between Warminster/Gillingham and Salisbury both days.

 

[Horizon22]

A semblance of a GWR plan is coming together for Monday:

1. South Wales services to run Reading to Newport 1tph (IETs)
2. Crosscountry to run Swindon <> Bristol TM approximately 1tph (irregular pattern). Voyagers and HSTs
3. 387 calling Paddington <> Didcot (only calling Reading) 1tph
4. North Cotswold running Oxford to Worcester 2tp3h (Turbos)
5. South Cotswold running Gloucester to Swindon 1tph
6. Nothing direct to West Country yet - except the sleeper.

Timetables slowly being updated.

 

[PHILIPE]

It is showing on NRE for me at 2011. Work between Warminster/Gillingham and Salisbury both days.

Just wondering if I selected the incorrect date but showing OK.

 

[spark001uk]

Is Waterloo - Exeter closed for PW work again next weekend ? Can you still use a GWR ticket on a SWR waterloo- exeter?

I've looked at the NRE site and there doesn't appear to br any work on the route. Ticket acceptance will depend on how the situation develops so keep an eye on GWR Website.

EDIT:- The NRE Site is not showing the correct info.

https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/pidd-disruption-information

Avanti West Coast, SWR, Crosscountry, Chiltern and West Midlands Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

 

[D365]

Or Apooma.

It's not the Voyagers that are in the dumps currently!

 

[CHAPS2034]

For the avoidance of doubt, NRE is showing work closing the line west of Salisbury for the next 2 weekends eg 15/16 and 22/23 May. In fact on the weekend of 22/23May there are no trains at all at Salisbury.

 

[24Grange]

Thanks - Son's Girlfriend is trying to get from Buntingford to Falmouth , Friday Night or Saturday morning to see him. I think the situation is what they call " fluid" at the moment.

 

[cactustwirly]

A semblance of a GWR plan is coming together for Monday:

1. South Wales services to run Reading to Newport 1tph (IETs)
2. Crosscountry to run Swindon <> Bristol TM approximately 1tph (irregular pattern). Voyagers and HSTs
3. 387 calling Paddington <> Didcot (only calling Reading) 1tph
4. North Cotswold running Oxford to Worcester 2tp3h (Turbos)
5. South Cotswold running Gloucester to Swindon 1tph
6. Nothing direct to West Country yet - except the sleeper.

Timetables slowly being updated.

What about Bedwyn? Is this a turbo from Reading??

 

[Nicholas43]

A retail alert sent to GWR staff that was shared with me. The GWR website has also been updated.

Thanks!

 

[Bletchleyite]

As has been pointed out repeatedly, there's no guarantee of a half-decent GWR service all week to carry these passengers.

No point in giving false hope, that would be contemptuous.

OK, then give them TOC specific RTVs to the price of an Anytime ticket for their Advance. Then when things restart they can make their journey. Alternative offer a refund.

 

[FGW_DID]

What about Bedwyn? Is this a turbo from Reading??

Turbo shuttle between Bedwyn & Newbury, 387 Newbury - Reading

 

[yorksrob]

For the avoidance of doubt, NRE is showing work closing the line west of Salisbury for the next 2 weekends eg 15/16 and 22/23 May. In fact on the weekend of 22/23May there are no trains at all at Salisbury.

Expletive deleted.

It might be a good time for them to investigate a divert.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Once again, read what you're quoting.

If the TV wasn't in stock, that's exactly what the company would tell you. They certainly wouldn't be like "here, have a return receipt valid for this TV at any point in the future". You'd be given a refund and told to rebuy when in stock, even if the price went up between the refund and the purchase.

Not universally. I know Radio Shack/Tandy used to issue what they called "rain checks" if an item was out of stock. Though this might be mainly a US practice.

Some companies would do a back order, though, but in reality you wouldn't want to wait in most cases and would just buy a different model. Some retailers might well offer you a superior substitute for the same price - I've certainly had that happen more than once (most recently with AO with a fridge).

 

[ABB125]

If class 387s start being used between Didcot and Swindon from Tuesday, I'll be very impressed, given the railway industry's reputation for moving quickly (or not!).

 

[Bletchleyite]

The actual advice is quite clear, do not travel. You can't advise people to use a train at a later date when you simply don't know when the later date will be. How much use is a ticket for today going to be in two weeks? How many people will still want to make that journey? Other than those on this forum, next to no one.

Quite a lot potentially, if the journey is for a holiday or visiting someone. That sort of journey can generally be delayed a couple of weeks.

 

[73128]

if that was running to didcot or reading would have worked really well to intergrate with 387's , e.g. for my trip to swansea could do 387 to didcot, XC to bristol, GWR Castle to Cardiff then TfW to Swansea

today (Sunday 9th) was roughly hourly Bristol to Didcot connecting with the 387 fast trips to/from London.

 

[hst43102]

Just noticed that the 800 on the logo hasn't been withdrawn for checking yet!